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Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« on: November 15, 2023, 03:06:08 am »
Hi,

I have acquired the hull of a Stuart Turner Henley steam launch, it has it's rear deck, rudder (no tiller), propeller shaft and propeller. It is missing it's engine, boiler and forward spray sheet. I have a suitable Stuart ST oscillating engine and a friend is lending me a ST boiler to copy if I cannot find one. What I am looking for, is photographs of inside the hull showing how the engine, boiler and spray sheet are held in place, along with any other information available.

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2023, 12:46:20 pm »
Sorry I can't help you with your quest Tony, I wish I could because I feel like you give us all so much without ever asking for anything in return. I hope someone has what you need.
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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2023, 05:19:20 pm »
Hello Tony

Just like Bruce, I feel your contributions here deserve all that we can put forward to assist you!

Sadly, in this particular circumstance, I fear that all I can do is offer a couple of images I found on line as seen here:

http://www.antiquemodelaircraft.co.uk/uploads/1/7/8/6/17868131/album-p23-no-1-and-3_orig.jpg

Oh wait ..... here's another one that is probably a bit more like what you have:

https://toysteamengine.net/circa_1920_s_stuart_turner_henley_launch_alcohol_fueled_steam_engine.html

Hope that can help you out a little at least.

Cheers ... and keep us informed of progress.    ;c)



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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2023, 07:53:17 pm »
Hey there Tony

I've also found an old Stuart Turner ad for the Henley, which shows a straight profile view that might be usable for dimensions!?!?


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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2023, 02:54:47 am »
Hi Bruce and Daniel,

All the information helps, there doesn't seem to be a lot of information on the Henley about.  There appears to have been two models made, one with a flush deck 1923 -1929 and a later one with a spray cove which is the one I have. Both seem to have used the same ST engine and boiler. I found that I still have an early ST engine which I restored years ago, painted red but I expect I can manage to change that to Stuart Turner green or similar. A friend has a boiler which he will lend me so I can make a copy. There is a unused boxed boiler and burner available which I suspect will be above my budget, I know it is daft but given a choice I would probably prefer one I had to work on.

I will report progress which will be slow as there is still some work to be done on my model engineering club's garden railway ready for next years running season. There is also a re-design of our own garden railway due to the age and condition of both railway and operators.

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2023, 09:31:05 am »
Hi,

The Stuart Turner Henley steam launch hull had been collected at an exhibition in mid-August and in the nearly three months since then it has been kept slightly warm to be sure that it had completely dried out.

Prior to starting work on the hull it was checked over. It had been re-painted and was in pretty good condition, except for several of the seams being split, the bow and stern being particularly bad.  Having said that the hull was very solid and none of the mahogany that the hull is made from is spongy.
 
It is hoped to make a start on the project sometime next week.  I will report progress.
 
Take care Tony.

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2023, 10:29:08 am »
You are a braver man than I, Tony.

Or perhaps it is just that you are far more capable and confident!
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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2023, 02:50:37 am »
Hi,

A start was made on the dismantling the hull by removing the fittings; the rudder and its tube along with the rear deck, the propeller and its shaft. The wooden cover which was over the end of the propeller shaft and the asbestos sheets that protected the inside of the hull from the heat of the boiler were also removed.
 
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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2023, 09:10:09 am »
That's a start.

It does all look surprisingly good, at least as far as I can see in the photos.
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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2023, 09:26:45 am »
Hi,


The propeller shaft tube has been removed from the hull.  The rudder had a bent shaft so the blade was removed the shaft straightened and the blade soldered back in place. The remaining metal pieces were cleaned and the wooden cover of the propeller shaft was taken apart and put back together again.

Question time! Does anyone own a Stuart Turner Henley or have photographs of how the engine and boiler are attached to the hull? The last two photographs show the screw holes that did this on the hull I own.  For the engine it looks as if there was a bracket to hold the engine that rested on the two longitudinal battens that run the length of the hull, this bracket with engine being held in place with two screws in each batten.  To hold the boiler in place there seems just two screws in the battens and a pair of screws on the centre line on the bottom of the hull towards the bow.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2023, 09:29:31 am »
Hello again,

Forgot a photograph!

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2023, 03:44:50 am »
Hi,

The saga continues. To clean the debris from the splits in the hull a broken piece of a hack saw blade suitably sharpened was used. Not to put any strain on the hull it was decided not to try and pull the stern and bow sides together just fill the gaps.  These gaps were filled using a standard pack of Araldite, which after being applied to the splits was heated with a hair dryer when it becomes very liquid and with the help of a thin piece of wood to get rid of air bubbles flowed to the bottom of the split.  Some masking tape was used to stop the adhesive from coming out of the side of the split. Alas as the Araldite is very liquid it has to be held level for a couple of hours until it starts to set. This means that almost every split has to be done individually, so it will take some time to complete this part of the restoration.

Take care Tony.

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2023, 03:38:14 am »
Hi,

While waiting for the Araldite that was being used to fill the various slots in the hull to cure, other work was started.  Because, the sides of the hull were not being pulled in against the transom, the splits having been filled with Araldite the stern deck had become a loose fit in the hull.  A piece of what might be mahogany that once did service as a slat in a door was used to make two fillers for the deck.  A tile cutter fitted with a blade that would cut wood was used to cut the two filler pieces.  A PVA glue was used to hold these fillers to the edge of the deck. Then the adhesive had cured the fillers were filed to size and the deck was varnished along with the wooden propeller shaft cover.

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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2023, 05:54:30 am »
coming right along Tony. you're doing some really nice (& smart) work to the vessel.
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Re: Help with a Stuart Turner Henley
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2023, 04:42:59 am »
Hi,

With all the cracks in the hull being filled, the stern deck was filled to size and all the holes in the hull bottom being filled with wooden dowel; a start was made on finishing the hull.  It isnít a good time of the year for this sort of job it being cold and damp. So, it could take some time.
 
A bit of luck I found a photograph of how the engine is mounted in the hull; on an aluminium bridge, the spray sheet appears to rest on screws fitted in the inside of the hull.  So far I havenít found any photographs of the engine not being connected to the propeller shaft with anything other than a spring.  Equally I havenít found any photographs of a wooden cover for the end of the propeller shaft such as is fitted to this hull.  I am inclined to think that the cover is original because of how it is made with matching wood and the way it attaches to the hull.  I believe the means of connection from the propeller shaft to the engine is an alteration.  Thoughts?
 
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