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Help please - do you have any idea?
« on: January 06, 2022, 12:31:05 pm »
Is this steam engine a factory or home made design?
Some funny parts - the safety valve is from Maerklin
I only received 2 pictures from the seller.
I think this one is pretty big when compared to the 1 liter water bottle.
Let's see if I can get it at a reasonable price....
More news soon, Arnold ;D

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2022, 02:11:24 pm »
Good Luck!
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Jürgen
Dealing with steam is one way of having fun in life.

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2022, 03:02:33 am »
That's a real beast.

No idea about the maker. The layout reminds (faintly) of a French Radiguet, but my gut feeling says that this is a very professionally made "home built" engine.


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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2022, 03:24:21 am »
That's a real beast.

No idea about the maker. The layout reminds (faintly) of a French Radiguet, but my gut feeling says that this is a very professionally made "home built" engine.

Hallo Thomas - thanks for your replay - I am now pretty sure that it is a French Radiguet
I have checked the website of Historytoy - and the engines are exactly the same...
As soon as I can get it - I will know more :D
Greetings over the lake, Arnold

https://historytoy.com/spielzeug-Dampfspielzeug-Stehende-Dampfmaschinen-Radiguet-Massiot

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2022, 10:30:57 am »
That's a real beast.

No idea about the maker. The layout reminds (faintly) of a French Radiguet, but my gut feeling says that this is a very professionally made "home built" engine.

Hallo Thomas - thanks for your replay - I am now pretty sure that it is a French Radiguet
I have checked the website of Historytoy - and the engines are exactly the same...
As soon as I can get it - I will know more :D
Greetings over the lake, Arnold

https://historytoy.com/spielzeug-Dampfspielzeug-Stehende-Dampfmaschinen-Radiguet-Massiot

Arnold:

Do you have the book, "Radiguet et Fils", By Frederic Marchand? 

It is a beautiful book.  I highly recommend it.

Here is a scan of the closest vertical engine in the book:

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A lot of jewelry has been added (and very tastefully In My Humble Opinion).

The Radiguet Book does not have any pictures of their engines with a governor. 

Here is a video from another Forum Member of his large Malette and Parent that has some similarities (and some differences)?

https://youtu.be/G5u1hHhxQoM

Regards,
Charlie


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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2022, 01:01:34 pm »
That's a real beast.

No idea about the maker. The layout reminds (faintly) of a French Radiguet, but my gut feeling says that this is a very professionally made "home built" engine.

Hallo Thomas - thanks for your replay - I am now pretty sure that it is a French Radiguet
I have checked the website of Historytoy - and the engines are exactly the same...
As soon as I can get it - I will know more :D
Greetings over the lake, Arnold

https://historytoy.com/spielzeug-Dampfspielzeug-Stehende-Dampfmaschinen-Radiguet-Massiot

Arnold:

Do you have the book, "Radiguet et Fils", By Frederic Marchand? 

It is a beautiful book.  I highly recommend it.

Here is a scan of the closest vertical engine in the book:

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A lot of jewelry has been added (and very tastefully In My Humble Opinion).

The Radiguet Book does not have any pictures of their engines with a governor. 

Here is a video from another Forum Member of his large Malette and Parent that has some similarities (and some differences)?

https://youtu.be/G5u1hHhxQoM

Regards,
Charlie


Hello Charlie - thank you very much for your detective work
I guess it's the model Hermann Lachapelle - there are many
Similarities. As soon as I can buy this motor (hopefully)
I will report and take some special photos.
Regards, Arnold

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2022, 01:08:44 pm »

Good luck Arnold!!!

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2022, 04:53:08 am »
Well, Arnold, that's another extraordinary engine!

What made me hesitate to identify it as Radiguet was the size and the "smooth" look, if you know what I mean, the Radiguets I had seen so far had certain (wonderful) old-fashioned clumsiness about them...

Congratulations, what a find!

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2022, 08:48:45 pm »
I have a couple of original Radiguet engines. If I were you, I would stay away from this heavily modified machine. It has many original parts, but also many freelance after market machined pieces. I would not consider this machine as a Radiguet, but a machinist machine, it lost its identity, and historical original value.

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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2022, 05:37:50 am »

A few others on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/V3NU84yoqJg

https://youtu.be/7JWnCxEc5Zk

https://youtu.be/pllejNEQR1A

Only one I have seen with a Governor?

https://youtu.be/VUz-ywIKAGU

Thanks for the links Charlie - I'm still negotiating - the seller is a stupid hard nut to crack in terms of should I or should I not!!! >:(

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2022, 06:04:45 am »
I have a couple of original Radiguet engines. If I were you, I would stay away from this heavily modified machine. It has many original parts, but also many freelance after market machined pieces. I would not consider this machine as a Radiguet, but a machinist machine, it lost its identity, and historical original value.

Yes i am agree - but it is very hard to find untouched Steam engines of that age.
Second - the seller is a very difficult person who does not know what he wants - so it is quite possible that I will have to refrain from it.

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2022, 08:23:06 am »
I have a couple of original Radiguet engines. If I were you, I would stay away from this heavily modified machine. It has many original parts, but also many freelance after market machined pieces. I would not consider this machine as a Radiguet, but a machinist machine, it lost its identity, and historical original value.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mike.

Not everyone cares about originality or historical value.

And of course it all depends on the price. 🤠

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2022, 09:00:05 am »
I have a couple of original Radiguet engines. If I were you, I would stay away from this heavily modified machine. It has many original parts, but also many freelance after market machined pieces. I would not consider this machine as a Radiguet, but a machinist machine, it lost its identity, and historical original value.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mike.

Not everyone cares about originality or historical value.

And of course it all depends on the price. 🤠

Charlie, I agree with you that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; and I responded to Arnold’s questions about originality.
Now to my personal taste and opinion, I cannot stand a highly invasive modification such as this one. This machine can now be called anything but Radiguet.
Over the years, I witnessed on several forums over restorations that are literally ugly, and I’ve chosen not to comment at all to avoid hurting the restorer/owner feelings.

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Re: Help please - do you have any idea?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2022, 10:49:08 am »
Very interesting.

So I see some justification in my reluctant identification at the beginning...

But as  I know Arnold, he will try to crack this nut...! ;-)

 

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