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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: Nuvolari on July 12, 2019, 01:45:02 pm

Title: Re: Is it a Carette or a Doll
Post by: 34046 on July 13, 2019, 12:41:23 pm

A similar style engine is on ebay item number 163775999096

Title: Re: Is it a Carette or a Doll
Post by: Nuvolari on July 13, 2019, 12:14:21 am

I know more in-between.
It's being identified as a rather rare  Doll 346/1
And very early probably 1900-1910

But in this case, although it's a pristine engine, and thehnicly the German engines  are better executed, in the sense of maintenance friendly, and a more solid build.
The French Rossignol versions are in my view aesthetically more beautiful.
Here is one I restored about half a year ago…
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7882/40283206913_a84e2ae009_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24nFXYe)
https://youtu.be/BRayCBUBDdA

I hope to own one day a Radiguet.
They are the cream in this type of engine.
Radiguet is such a pristine brand, wenn I look at their designs it almost if the bring  Jules Verne visions to life…

I also think that these engines as a pre war toy models, is one of the best imitation to an actual industrial one.

Title: Re: Is it a Carette or a Doll
Post by: Nick on July 12, 2019, 10:28:36 pm

Looks Doll to me, but I have yet to add one of this type to the collection... I believe Charlie has a Carette in this style

Title: Re: Is it a Carette or a Doll
Post by: 34046 on July 12, 2019, 01:59:30 pm

I look through Doll catalogue for you and find none of the verticals have the two side support rods.

I feel perhaps you are right with Carette but only a guess.

Title: Is it a Carette or a Doll
Post by: Nuvolari on July 12, 2019, 01:45:02 pm

Fresh out of the shipping box comes this engine…
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266211381_86a6958010_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gx7X5i)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266288557_95a6ef8f5e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gx8m1V)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266288752_41ef8138a9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gx8m5h)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266211471_34824cc5ee_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gx7X6R)

These type of engines where inspired on a French design by HERMANN LACHAPELLE ca.1900
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266956531_1aee2b6761_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gxbLzH)

First the French toy makers like Radiguet & Massiot, Rossignol start producing them as models.
Later Carette introduced it in Germany, of course with his French background.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48266288537_efef6c465c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gx8m1z)

But the engine above does not fit the Carette description.
I now found some weak descriptions that this should be a Doll model.
Does anyone know if Doll also produced these models?

Cheers,
Danny