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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: SeeSteam on August 22, 2019, 08:54:53 pm
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So how many more times will Ebay allow him to keep a part of the refund in this scam he is running?
One would think in this day and age he would be red flagged once Ebay found out what he is doing.
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Nick so true!
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Hopefully both parties have learnt something
As a buyer i would hope it is “ stay calm , take a deep breath and study photos “
There’s no keeping calm when trying to click a cheap steam engine BIN on eBay! 😉😂
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Hopefully both parties have learnt something
Lessons -
1. Sellers who are offer deceitful descriptions and faked items shouldn't be allowed to trap and fraud unwary buyers.
2. If a buyer is caught out by deceitful descriptions and a fraudulent seller. Contact eBay and Paypal to have the situation remedied in your favour.
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Happy for you.
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I contacted PayPal, it is pending only to go to my bank. Deal is resolved. We parted ways.
Chris - been traveling for work this week but saw your plight. Glad you were able to shut this transaction down. Lesson learned. Don't kick yourself too badly... done something similar awhile back.
Scott
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Congratulations, and thanks for the cautionary tale ...... we all need the occasional reminder!
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Hopefully both parties have learnt something
As a buyer i would hope it is “ stay calm , take a deep breath and study photos “
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Good. Glad it worked out.
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I contacted PayPal, it is pending only to go to my bank. Deal is resolved. We parted ways.
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He accepted the refund through email but he still has to click “accept” on his end with PayPal to get rid of the pending status
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He slept on it and accepted my generous partial refund proposal. He keeps the engine, gives me back most of cash. And I don’t have to deal with shipping it back.
One thing though... The refund is stuck as pending in PayPal? How does it become finalized? I've never seen pending before.
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I feel some people are missing the point here. The seller is a scammer, why should a scammer be allowed to cheat and win when there are legal and rightful avenues for Chris to follow via eBay PayPal to get a full refund?
Regardless if Chris made a mistake buying this, its still a scam and a fake and represented as the the real thing and that's why we purchase on eBay and pay via PayPal for this peace of mind assurance that if things go pear shaped (even if in hindsight we shouldn't have clicked buy) that things will be rectified and scammers don't win ill gotten $$$
Seriously, can't see too many people finding out that they have been cheated out of this much money by a scammer and not trying rectify it and just bending over and saying "thank you". The scammer will have lost a sale, but he will still have his 'D32'.
I must just be an angry Aussie convict penal colony type, because if I didn't get satisfaction from either eBay or Paypal, once the engine had arrived and I had the sellers address I'd be spending $6000 on airfare to hand deliver it back to him.
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When selling stuff, I always give buyers leeway. Good stores do that for long term business. I also offered a fistful euros to break up the deal and then upped the euros. I've been pretty generous. Clearly he knows it's a hoax as why in Earth would he not take compensation for his trouble especially if he truly believed it was genuine and he could sell it for that amount again. In my state, the law is actually on my side at least when it comes to vehicle and house sales. (I suspect it does for cheaper items as well but I just don't know. For cars and houses definitely know as the dealers are required to inform you of that law!)
So "buyer beware" and the actually isn't true anymore at least legally.
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Sure, but a quick translate of the listing automatically set off alarms in my ears. I'm not saying he shouldn't try to get his money back if that is the direction he wants to go.
Scammers are everywhere. Maybe I'm jaded, but it's just part of life. I've been screwed over enough to know, and to also know that eBay isn't always gonna be there to back you. My ineloquent point was, be careful, think hard, and if the pictures aren't there ask for them. I they won't supply them, then that further reinforces my opinion that they are trying to bend me over.
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Chris, would you be so upset if you had made the same purchase, for the same reasons(excitement coupled with distraction) from a seller at a show? Would you immediately demand he cancel the sale? After handshakes and all?
Yeah I would be pissed if I then walked around the corner and a group of people who knew about these engines all told me that I had just bought a fake (and a poor and dangerous fake at that) and that the seller had totally scammed me by lying outright about the engine.
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The whole wording is a scam, I would be happy to wear the crown "Dogdy Buyer" as Dennis states above because I would be sending that back to the seller and I would be relentless with Paypal & eBay until I had been refunded.
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As i see it
Clearly it is a misleading add but to my opinion photos are part of the add so therefore it is buyers responsibility
To study photos .
I am sure most off us have made a dodgy purchase at some point but at the end of the day no one makes us do the buy now / bid / or put in an offer . Caveat emptor .
You need to take responsibility for your actions .
We are all to quick to jump on dodgy sellers but your actions here put you in the dodgy buyer catergory .
Yes i do expect to get jumped on but at the end of the day I am a honorable buyer and seller .and I own my mistakes and live with them .
Cheers
Dennis
Not entirely off base in my opinion. The term "Buyer Beware" springs to mind. I've been burned a few times by letting my excitement rule my purchasing hand. But, I just chalk it up to a live-and-learn experience.
Chris, would you be so upset if you had made the same purchase, for the same reasons(excitement coupled with distraction) from a seller at a show? Would you immediately demand he cancel the sale? After handshakes and all?
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As others have said I would open a case on Ebay immediately hopefully causing him to rethink shipping it.
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As i see it
Clearly it is a misleading add but to my opinion photos are part of the add so therefore it is buyers responsibility
To study photos .
I am sure most off us have made a dodgy purchase at some point but at the end of the day no one makes us do the buy now / bid / or put in an offer . Caveat emptor .
You need to take responsibility for your actions .
We are all to quick to jump on dodgy sellers but your actions here put you in the dodgy buyer catergory .
Yes i do expect to get jumped on but at the end of the day I am a honorable buyer and seller .and I own my mistakes and live with them .
Cheers
Dennis
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The seller refuses.
I offered to compensate him for the listing fees and trouble but he refused and will ship anyway. I'll just return when it arrives or whatever eBay says to do...
Clearly the seller knows it is not legit since they refused the offer to meet somewhere in the middle. I thought euros to cancel an auction was more than generous.
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Been there .... done that .... this all sounds so very familiar. Often it is mostly my own fault when this happens, as I don't look and read carefully enough to discover the sellers mistakes/diseptions, but sometimes it is wholly on the seller. In those cases it pays to be as unforgiving as the system allows.
In this case, the item is clearly misidentified, thus there should be no question that eBay/Paypal will find in your favor ..... but it will take time.
The seller would be smart to cut his losses in this case, and release you from the deal, before the system comes down on him officially.
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Seller won't budge. He said open case with eBay.
eBay won't open case since I must contact seller?? I called eBay and they said it's too soon, I must wait until tomorrow.
I would suggest you write back to the seller. Instruct him DO NOT SHIP UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. EBAY AND PAYPAL CASES PENDING.
You can also put up very negative feedback.
Keep it honest.
Keep it harsh.
You can always have ebay remove it once this is settled and you can let him know this.
Gil
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An unfortunate occurrence, but I think we all have had a similar experience, perhaps even more than once (I've had two, one that was ameliorated rather easily with some home fabrication on my part and one hopeless case that cost me $50.00 or so).
So be of good cheer; we've all been there.
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Seller won't budge. He said open case with eBay.
eBay won't open case since I must contact seller?? I called eBay and they said it's too soon, I must wait until tomorrow.
I am a little embarrassed to say the least.
I read the ad and looked at the pictures only on my phone in mobile mode (which is blurry and small) and I thought super deal. But after the offer was immediately accepted (which I didn't think it would be), I looked further and my heart sank.
Took me a while to figure out why I was fooled... I was not fully attentive as I was waiting for my kid to come to his room to go to bed. He was having a tantrum in the living room not wanting to go bed, so I just ignored him (I didn't want to reinforce such behavior with attention.) and told him I would wait for him in his room (mommy was out at a library get together).
So with him having a fit in the background and that noise hindered my judgement. :(
The good news is that my son eventually went to his room and I tucked him in and he is sweet once again. I've gotten good deals on eBay and I'm almost always happy with my purchases so I guess a bad deal was due...
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I am strongly in the camp with those advising to cancel the order.
Don't let the seller ship this item if at all possible.
Call ebay by phone and explain the whole deception.
Make it clear that upon a good look at the pictures, it is about $50-75 worth of old parts attached to some scrap wood.
Absolutely not a D-32 and not even closely related.
Get into ebay's "help and contact" area.
Call them right away.
Try here:
Scroll all the way to the bottom and select "Call us" and do not choose contact the seller.
https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/returns-refunds/get-help-item-hasnt-arrived?id=4042&st=10
You will be given an 800 number and a code to punch in.
Best of luck.
Gil
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Late to the game and confused as ever until now - I was clicking on the link and looking at a real D32, reading the posts and wondering what everyone saw that I didn't until I finally figured out that the original was shown above in the description. I would think that it would just be a case of the item being not as advertised ( a D32) so Paypal would issue a refund. Hopefully if you let the seller know your intentions perhaps he won't go through the hassle of sending it and just cancel the sale.
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Chris, maybe contact (ring) PayPal and explain the situation to them. Say you've been a member for X amount of years etc etc
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Jim, I messaged the seller. I'll look into it more. Fingers crossed.
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Chris, isn't there a way that you can withdraw from the sale with eBay even though you've paid?
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The list of disclaimers is long on his ad, so probably not likely to get money back. I have my eBay set up that it's a one click payment. So just negative feedback is my only recourse and a quick relist on eBay as it's best to not be reminded of such bad mistakes. :(
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The D24 is a great engine and wish I wouldn't have sold mine after buying a D32, but they can be found for $150... So you can find 2 complete D24's for the price of this fake "D32"...
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On closer zoom, the pictures look worse. I should only buy things with my iPad versus my small phone...
I've gotten myself into the same problems with small/blurry pictures and cheap BIN's. Sometimes it pays off, other times it's a loss...
I think you have a fighting chance being the title says D-32 and the engine is not...
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I wrote the seller an email. I am digging around to see what I can do...
What's the boiler from?
D24 (smaller)
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I wrote the seller an email. I am digging around to see what I can do...
What's the boiler from?
On closer zoom, the pictures look worse. I should only buy things with my iPad versus my small phone...
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Am I right that its a D24 coupled with a mirrored D24 engine? Not worth the price unfortunately...
That's exactly what it is IMO, its not a D32's control panel.
The 'heater' looks dangerous, honestly its an engine that is worse than a bitza its got so many errors and problems ...... sorry Chris, but I'd reneg on paying for this. Its NOT a D32 as advertised.
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Here you can see the homemade cylinder ends for the mirrored engine
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/xmcAAOSwZyJdW8r0/s-l800.jpg)
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Am I right that its a D24 coupled with a mirrored D24 engine? Not worth the price unfortunately...
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Chris, I'd be cancelling buying that.
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Someone spent a lot of time making it... even looks to be homemade wooden red/gray engine bases. I don't think the seller was trying to rip you off, but to be honest you might be better off trying to cancel the purchase as it's not really a Wilesco D32...
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So totally a bitsa. I was just browsing and I made an offer without looking/thinking too much. I was supposed to be watching the kiddo. Serves me right!
I wouldn't have bought after closer inspection. Oh well...
Style wise, the base is too big imho. But that's because I'm out of shelf space!
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Bitsa
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Mmm... After closer inspection of the pictures... What did I buy!?!?
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Wilesc...maschine-D-32-EL-/133147099359
Is this really a prototype or a bitsa?