Post by: WillieBeard on September 13, 2020, 12:32:34 pm
Someone asked, so this is how I did it....So, I made a bit of a diagram, showing
a 2 cart and 1 cart installation from one end.
Do you have a preference, one or 2 heaters?
Post by: WillieBeard on September 12, 2020, 06:37:09 pm
Post by: komet163b on September 12, 2020, 11:20:28 am
Now, I usually forget about pix until I'm already
done and everything is buttoned up. That is the
case here. So, I made a bit of a diagram, showing
a 2 cart and 1 cart installation from one end. It's
really simple, but very important to have the metal
next to the carts to help them 'get rid' of their heat.
Several 1/16" thick strips the same length of the cart
will do it - Thats how mine 2 Empires are set up. I
also later experimented with wrapping heavy baling
wire tightly around the cart and that worked - I had
the cart heating (uninstalled) a long time w/no problems.
To finish, if you are handy and experienced at fussing
around and cobbling things up you'll find it's easy.
Otherwise, just take your time - try not to electrocute
yourself and remember, no matter how these engines
are heated, they always get hot.
Good Luck,
Wayne
Post by: txlabman on August 04, 2020, 06:19:04 am
Post by: St Paul Steam on August 03, 2020, 08:02:55 pm
I don't know if you could get away with that on the current factory offerings , the nickel plating looks more like stainless steel than shiney nickel plating.
Post by: RedRyder on August 03, 2020, 04:51:19 pm
On occasion, a few years back, I would walk away from a leccy for a few minutes while it heated up.
10 years ago I walked away from a Jensen #55 right after plugging it in with a freshly filled cold boiler.
NEVER AGAIN !!!
Fast forward about 30 minutes.
I had not returned as another project grabbed my attention.
The smell of smoke wafting in from the other room got my attention.
The boiler (nickel plated) had run completely dry and turned a nice blue while the copper finish on the firebox turned dark and a little blistered. The insulation was the new kind and turned to rubbish (dust). Where's the asbestos when you need it??? I filled it back up and ran it and it seemed fine. After it cooled, I removed the boiler to polish out the lovely blue and gold coloring to restore the original nickel plate finish.I didn't like the looks of the heater so I replaced it, then sent the engine to JohnReid who sent me an STC-04 in trade which will be on it's way to another forum member in the next few days.Thankfully Jensen uses a high quality high temp silver solder sothe excess heat on a dry and very hot boiler had zero effect on it.
Gil
After the burn......
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After the polish......
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Post by: RedRyder on August 03, 2020, 04:31:04 pm
Very well done, Bruce!
I believe if you had the misfortune of bluing a Jensen boiler, You can polish the blue away.
I cooked a #55 boiler once and polished it back to shiny nickel without much trouble at all.
Gil
Post by: St Paul Steam on August 01, 2020, 06:45:47 am
Prediction: Jensen sees a small boost in Jensen 65 orders over the next week.Of the 3 engines I have done in the past week, #85 , #60 ,#65 , I consider the #65 most suitable for this heater application & the best bargain , with its much longer boiler than the #85/#60 & its slide valve & reversing capability , I wish it had the 1/2" bore cylinder , but the smaller 7/16" ID does fine.
Post by: St Paul Steam on August 01, 2020, 06:40:03 am
Bruce, do you use a silver solder, with a 1200 degree or so melting point, or do you use a solder with a lower melting point?Hi Mike
Mike
I use STAY BRITE® #8 TIN/SILVER SOLDER, it has the highest melting point I could find in a soft solder
here are the specs
Solidus 221°C (430°F)
Liquidus 279°C (535°F)
Deposit color – silver
Shear Strength (copper lap joint) – 10,600 PSI
it has a generous cushion of melting point , brazing solder (silver solder) although would be the best ,would run the risk of unsoldering the boiler end cap & most definitely turning the boiler blue ,thus necessitating the need to get it re nickel plated (4-6 weeks turn around) if you run the boiler dry for an extended period ,you could run the risk of melting the brass sleeve out of the boiler & ruining the heater, the spec say this heater could get up to 1400 degree's temp (undamped)...so I'm guessing silver brazing wouldn't hold up either. if you don't run it completely out of water....you will have no trouble. :)
Post by: catman on July 31, 2020, 11:43:46 pm
Mike
Post by: mikethenerd2 on July 31, 2020, 10:29:44 pm
Post by: Jim on July 31, 2020, 09:02:36 pm
Post by: St Paul Steam on July 31, 2020, 01:28:59 pm
Neat mods, very well done. I've had occasion to use cartridge heatersHi Wayne, the video describes it pretty well , use a step drill for better/easier drilling up to the desired size, of course make sure your centered , I try to leave a minimum of 3/16"-1/4" off of the bottom for Good heat circulation. I have an Indy X that I would like to make usable again, but the rear of the boiler is exposed, I'm thinking of some kind of tube underneath to accept 2 cartridge heaters 😏
on two Empires and an Elektro.
So, how did you do it? Drill into the boiler and solder the carrier
tube in or mount it on the bottom? Inquiring minds want to know.
Good Successful work,
Wayne
Post by: komet163b on July 31, 2020, 11:00:37 am
on two Empires and an Elektro.
So, how did you do it? Drill into the boiler and solder the carrier
tube in or mount it on the bottom? Inquiring minds want to know.
Good Successful work,
Wayne
Post by: classixs on July 31, 2020, 10:54:26 am
Post by: Swift Fox on July 31, 2020, 09:57:35 am
The Jensen #65 is one of my favourite engines from their range, I really like the fact your model is duel fuelled too!
Great work as always Bruce. ;)
Post by: Stoker on July 30, 2020, 11:44:47 pm
NICE!!!
Post by: St Paul Steam on July 30, 2020, 10:01:16 pm
I received this Jensen #65 the other day, brand new from Jensen Mfg. I installed a 350W cartridge style heater in the rear of the boiler, painted the boiler, chimney stand & chimney with VHT burnt copper paint. I put roller ball bearings in the stanchions. she will run 2 hrs. on 45V with a full boiler. the engine is flip reversible. fun little economical plant.
https://youtu.be/2tpBkEc1x78