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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Scale Model Gas Engines - Hit & Miss - Throttle Governed - Non-Compression – etc => Topic started by: RedRyder on October 11, 2020, 08:54:36 pm
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And you’re not running it already? :D
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Yay....just walked out of the store with it :)
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
Bet you’re getting excited now!
Like its Christmas Nick :)
Is it there yet? You got me on edge!
Gotta' wait another hour Gil to 2.00pm till I go up to the store.
I will read about it tomorrow as I am going to sleep in western PA for the Coolspring Power Museum show A hint..... the instruction sheet likrly advises opening the needle vslve 1/4 turn. That is usually not enough for the M92. Try 1/2 to 5/8 of a turn.
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I’ll still be awake waiting! :D
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
Bet you’re getting excited now!
Like its Christmas Nick :)
Is it there yet? You got me on edge!
Gotta' wait another hour Gil to 2.00pm till I go up to the store.
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
Bet you’re getting excited now!
Like its Christmas Nick :)
Is it there yet? You got me on edge!
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
Bet you’re getting excited now!
Like its Christmas Nick :)
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
Bet you’re getting excited now!
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My first one (the M92) should be at the General Store sometime after lunchtime today.
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Jim, making a dummy battery is completely unnecessary. That is a hold over from the early gold ignition boxes that were prone to failure. The new ones are pretty darn reliable.
Gil that's something then I won't do.
Mine aren't Eachine brand and not marked 'Upgraded' I bid on them on eBay and they are directly from Jin (Not Banggood).
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Gil you have that little engine tuned "spot on" , well done 😊👌
Thanks, Bruce. Right now we are more than half way into the 400 miles to Coolspring.
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Jim, making a dummy battery is completely unnecessary. That is a hold over from the early gold ignition boxes that were prone to failure. The new ones are pretty darn reliable.
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I do like seeing these 'hit and miss' running.
Currently reading up on how to make a dummy battery. Some folks have gone to the extreme -
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=how+to+make+a+dummy+battery
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Gil you have that little engine tuned "spot on" , well done 😊👌
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Gil, I could well be wrong, but my recollection is that some of the very earliest locomotives did have governors, but very soon it became apparent that with grades and curves and varying loads, governors were found to be impractical and actual impediments to the realities of steam locomotive operations.
On another note, it seems member Jasper correctly identified the original source of the term "Highball", as one of the earliest forms of semaphore signals used on some of the early eastern railroads was a fairly large ball that was hoisted up and down a pole by a halyard to signify train orders to the engineer of an oncoming train. Lowball for stopping at the station for orders, Midball for proceed slow with caution, and Highball for clear track ahead, proceed at speed. Likely there were other intermediate positions that had special meanings as well.
How that translates into the classical cocktail, I'll leave to your own imagination. ;c)
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Interesting....... I was not aware of any railroad locomotives with governors.
I always thought regulating them was the full time job of the engineer and that the expression was adopted from other steam engines, stationary or otherwise.(by engineers) .
I knew only of road locomotives with governors which are of course based on Traction engines.
Have I missed something important regarding railroad hardware?
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I know naught about the “M” engines made in the Peoples Republic of China , but I have a small collection of pre-prohibition liquor items.
The liquor term Highball (note one word) I have referenced on many of the late 1800’s and early 1900’s (pre-American prohibition) items is from the use of a tall glass for rye , corn, or blended whiskey. Seltzer could also be added. I’ve not seen a pre-pro Highball glass for Scotch. The old liquor advertising loosely referenced
Highballing as associated with the railroad signal devices that used large balls to tell the railroad engineer track conditions. Highballs on the signal device indicated clear track ahead , OK to go full out. Thus it was intimated that Highballing was associated with full speed ahead, clear tracks, smooth fast times ahead. Unless an engineer “highballed” too fast out of a rail-yard, because that could be risky and dangerous.
Most all the liquor Highball pre-1919 references I have are the tall glass itself.
The term ‘Highball cocktails’ was to become a common item when ordering a lot of spirited ‘mixed drinks’ during prohibition, and after prohibition ended.
Local 1800’s newspaper stories I have read concerning engineers messing with the fly-ball governors and safety valves were in steamboats. It seemed a great amount of bragging rights and pilot fame came from reaching a wharf ahead of schedule , and more so if the captain was to block the dock from a rival riverboat. Many, many explosions and steamer wrecks occurred by that unsafe practice of altering the governor and safety valves. The contemporary newspapers & steamer insurance companies clambered for government regulations. But the passengers loved the steamboat races , even though a lot of folks lost their lives when the boilers blew.
(https://trn.trains.com/~/media/import/images/3/d/5/ball_signal.jpg?h=299&la=en&mw=600&w=400)
(https://www.nkytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Steamboat-explosion-Library-of-Congress.-265x300.jpg)
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Its interesting that there's a lot world wide metaphors used that references steam engines and firearms....and the users of the references really don't have any knowledge of their original usage.
Shot in the dark
Joke misfired
Stick to ya' guns
Under the gun
Pulled the trigger
Flash in the pan
etc etc etc
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I knew balls out for steam governors, but always heard balls to the wall from pilots.
Nick, I'm only going on the University of Google and what I've read -
"Early railroad locomotives were powered by steam engines. Those engines typically had a mechanical governor. These governors consisted of two weighted steel balls mounted at the ends of two arms, jointed and attached to the end of a vertical shaft that was connected to the interior of the engine. The entire assembly is encased in a housing. The shafts and the weighted balls rotate at a rate driven by the engine speed. As engine speed increases, the assembly rotates at a faster speed and centrifugal force causes the weighted balls to hinge upward on the arms. At maximum engine speed - controlled by these governors - centrifugal force causes the two weighted balls to rotate with their connecting shafts parallel to the ground and thereby nearly touching the sides - the walls - of their metal housing. So, an engineer driving his steam locomotive at full throttle was going "balls to the wall". The expression came to be used commonly to describe something going full speed".
So I'd think that pilots moving the balled throttles towards the aircraft's firewall was a later adaption of the term.
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I knew balls out for steam governors, but always heard balls to the wall from pilots.
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Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.
That's running very nicely Gil.
I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?
Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.
I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?
LOL I've spent so much time watching YT videos of model H&M improvements :)
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Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.
That's running very nicely Gil.
I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?
Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.
I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?
That was a much later use of the term Nick.
http://bestride.com/news/video-the-real-meaning-of-balls-to-the-wall-balls-out-and-big-brass-balls
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Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.
That's running very nicely Gil.
I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?
Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.
I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?
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Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.
That's running very nicely Gil.
I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?
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A fine job making it run like a big one. Oddly enough,I first became fascinated with ball governors through my interests in word and phrase origins, and a childhood fascination with steam locomotives.
My father used to use the expression “high ballin’ for hell”. I learned that some crazy engineers, encouraged by competitive companies, would wire back governors or modify them to increase the engine speed. The saying he used refers to that, and the prohibition era creation of the “high ball” beverage was in the same vein. Add fruit juice or soda to basically undrinkable rocket fuel, you had a high ball, a high flying drink that would get the job done fast. My first motor vehicle was a motorized bicycle. I took that old Wisconsin engine apart and wired back the governor. Grin.
So watching the video, I find it amusing to see how satisfying it is to watch the little engine run slow.
So that's where that drink came from!
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Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!
Very nice job on tuning that one Gil .... very nice indeed!
Seems like you've got it hitting about once every twenty revolutions, if my count during your slo-mo was anywhere near correct.
Thanks, Daniel. It was firing each 20-26 revolutions during the slow motion. The freewheeling increases a bit more once it is more warmed up.
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Thanks for this vid Gil.
I have been watching a lot of YouTube vids (and lots of yours have come up) re: Jin's H&M engines.
I finally succumbed and bought two, a M92 and one of the original ones (with the two springs on the flywheel) they should be here maybe this week.
Well done, Jim! I know you will have fun with them.
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A fine job making it run like a big one. Oddly enough,I first became fascinated with ball governors through my interests in word and phrase origins, and a childhood fascination with steam locomotives.
My father used to use the expression “high ballin’ for hell”. I learned that some crazy engineers, encouraged by competitive companies, would wire back governors or modify them to increase the engine speed. The saying he used refers to that, and the prohibition era creation of the “high ball” beverage was in the same vein. Add fruit juice or soda to basically undrinkable rocket fuel, you had a high ball, a high flying drink that would get the job done fast. My first motor vehicle was a motorized bicycle. I took that old Wisconsin engine apart and wired back the governor. Grin.
So watching the video, I find it amusing to see how satisfying it is to watch the little engine run slow.
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Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!
LOL :)
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Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!
Very nice job on tuning that one Gil .... very nice indeed!
Seems like you've got it hitting about once every twenty revolutions, if my count during your slo-mo was anywhere near correct.
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Thanks for this vid Gil.
I have been watching a lot of YouTube vids (and lots of yours have come up) re: Jin's H&M engines.
I finally succumbed and bought two, a M92 and one of the original ones (with the two springs on the flywheel) they should be here maybe this week.
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I spent the day preparing some things for the trip to Coolspring this week.
I have 2 M92's to fix up and while one would not run the other is working great. I have written Jin about the errant one.
Below is a video.
Enjoy,
Gil
https://youtu.be/Hh-_WLJSx6s