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Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Jim on November 09, 2020, 04:12:09 pm
Thank you very kindly for taking the time to document the fabrication of these pictorially. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2020, 02:33:40 pm
I understand re-using shells for this as I have a ton of brass, but .44’s are very hard to find here and it doesn’t take me long to shoot up what I have loaded!  :D
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: txlabman on November 09, 2020, 01:33:25 pm
An excellent tutorial and a wonderful technique for making the burner parts.

Thanks!
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Hero on November 09, 2020, 01:27:56 pm
Quote from: tenniV11 on November 09, 2020, 01:11:24 pm
Cartridge Brass has the perfect wall thickness, lenght and it's for free  -
people trow it into the waste bin at the shooting range.

All this and recycling, too!
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: tenniV11 on November 09, 2020, 01:11:24 pm
Cartridge Brass has the perfect wall thickness, lenght and it's for free  -
people trow it into the waste bin at the shooting range.
For my Burners I use .44 Mag and .454 Casull Revolver cases.
I make also nice steam whistle from Rifle Cartridge.
Reloading is okay for expensive or rare calibers like a Vetterli 10,4 mm
which was a Swiss military rifle in 1869! That's fun too - but thats another Story.

Arnold
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Stoker on November 09, 2020, 11:54:31 am
Wonderful build series for a really nice looking burner, but I wonder why you don't just use K&S brass tubing and save the cartridge brass for reloading?
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Hero on November 09, 2020, 11:15:12 am
I, too, thank you. You have admirably clarified the whole process, to the point where even I should be able to make a burner like that.

I did make a burner from a cartridge casing once, but it was a simple one, made from a .22 shell for my Jenny Wren. This looks much better for larger things.
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2020, 10:36:19 am
Thank you for the detailed pictures! You could sell quite a few of those, but unfortunately not many would be willing to pay for the labor you have into them...
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: tenniV11 on November 09, 2020, 03:27:49 am
Have some photos of the process - annealing first to color red (perfect term - thanks!)
then reshape with low rpm using RCBS case lube on the stamp
then turn from Solid Brass the crown - 18 mm to 13,25 - and let the Ball end mill make the finish
after cut off turn the inner side to 16,5 mm dia 2 mm depth and solder to the tube
thats it - just make the 9 holes 1 mm with 40 degree on a Dividing device
Yes you will need a workshop....
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Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Hero on November 08, 2020, 06:37:37 pm
Quote from: classixs on November 08, 2020, 12:43:17 pm
Great job, looks fantastic  :)

Quote from: Hero on November 08, 2020, 11:13:05 am

...But what does "I glow them out" mean?

Annealing  8)

Thanks, Jan. New term for me.
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Jim on November 08, 2020, 04:42:53 pm
Thank you very much for posting this up. Would very much like some more detailed photos of how you formed the mushroom top.
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Nick on November 08, 2020, 02:15:15 pm
Very nice work!  8)
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: classixs on November 08, 2020, 12:43:17 pm
Great job, looks fantastic  :)

Quote from: Hero on November 08, 2020, 11:13:05 am

...But what does "I glow them out" mean?

Annealing  8)
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: tenniV11 on November 08, 2020, 12:13:22 pm
will make some detailed photos tomorrow...
Brass is to hard and brittle to reshape - so you have
to glow it to make it soft.
Title: Re: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: Hero on November 08, 2020, 11:13:05 am
I like peaceful.

But what does "I glow them out" mean?
Title: peaceful reuse of revolver brass
Post by: tenniV11 on November 08, 2020, 09:47:54 am
Still working on my Märklin 4137/7 - today I had to rebuild the Burner for Denatured alcohol.
For my opinion these old engines work better with this kind of heat. The fill will be okay for
a quarter of hour and makes sure there is not too little water in the Boiler. I like the clean
Gas burner for modern Stuarts etc. having thick Copper Wall.
The Challenge of building a Burner is to make the crowns of brass. I always use old .44
or .454 rounds. First I glow them out and form a cone. Then I solder the top with silver solder
to it. Then I make 9 holes of 1 mm. All other is made from sheet metal and sodered.
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