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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: ShadetreeMotorcycle on January 22, 2021, 07:15:59 pm
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Nick - curious, you said a few bucks more... what would you say are the going rates for both used and new D24s? I've always thought they were quite a bit more than a D20.
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A good D24 can be found in the $200 range, but not many in the past year... There has been a beauty on ebay for $500, while I feel it’s overpriced, it’s still cheaper than a new one.
The one at $500 looks like new, older model and electric! Been watching, it was previously listed at bid starting at $499 , no bids
Why does it have a new Esbit burner with it? I even went as far as offering him $400 for it being it is perfect, but it was turned down and he told me he had turned down higher offers... Then re-listed for $500
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Nick - curious, you said a few bucks more... what would you say are the going rates for both used and new D24s? I've always thought they were quite a bit more than a D20.
Thanks
A good D24 can be found in the $200 range, but not many in the past year... There has been a beauty on ebay for $500, while I feel it’s overpriced, it’s still cheaper than a new one.
The one at $500 looks like new, older model and electric! Been watching, it was previously listed at bid starting at $499 , no bids
I've been watching it as well , defies logic , doesn't sell for $499 so lets raise the price ?
There was a decent D24 on marketplace for $200 , I was haggling with the guy , he wanted a fortune to ship it from 3 hrs away ,didnt snag it.
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Nick - curious, you said a few bucks more... what would you say are the going rates for both used and new D24s? I've always thought they were quite a bit more than a D20.
Thanks
A good D24 can be found in the $200 range, but not many in the past year... There has been a beauty on ebay for $500, while I feel it’s overpriced, it’s still cheaper than a new one.
The one at $500 looks like new, older model and electric! Been watching, it was previously listed at bid starting at $499 , no bids
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Their brazing jobs with complete lack of pickling/cleaning looks pretty bad, so i guess that why they´ve chosen to solely silversolder cladded boiler engines.
Much easier to buff away excess soft solder before chroming 8)
New D24 boiler:
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It's interesting that Wilesco upgrades the solder to silver on the larger and more expensive engines....that is great info on the bore and stroke of Wilesco...thanks for sharing!
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You should be, it´s a beaut...and a very nice runner on top :)
The only difference between the D20 and the D24, besides the obvious visual ones, is the D24´s 70ml larger and silversoldered boiler.
Apart from the D22 which carries two Wilesco D10 cylinders with 9mm bore/16mm stroke, every horisontal stationary Wilesco from D16 and upwards, has a 13mm bore/16mm stroke engine.
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Yes...that is the Actual engine I will receive by maybe Wed this week....the seller was kind enough to send me that video of the engine running...I am Very pleased to get this engine!
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Oh, I didn’t realize you were getting that exact engine, very well done, that is a nice one!! 😍
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Yes, I am Very pleased to get the older model D20 in such nice condition...I will treasure it and run it with much care!
That is great info on the fuel tanks, those are not huge and I would be happy running right out of a tank that size...thank you for posting this information!
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Forest Classics and Clevedon Steam both have the valve
https://www.forest-classics.co.uk/ceramic-burners/gas-essentials-and-jets/gas-valve-for-disposable-tank
https://www.clevedonsteam.co.uk/products.html#Gas%20Can%20Valve
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I use the 4 season mix on the right for outdoor winter steaming, but it does cost more. You do not need to buy a BIX tank, you can buy a gas can valve that screws onto the disposable cans.
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That is Scott’s (oilfield_steam) beauty of a D20 😍
I burn the butane/propane cans from the camping section of Wall-mart or any sporting good stores.
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I will try to post a short video of the actual D20 I have coming! From my research the flywheels on D24 and D20 are same size....I can not find any specs on bore and stroke difference.
On a side note I have an email in to the folks that make BIX burners, I asked them to quote me a setup to fire the following engines:
Wilesco D20
Jensen 75
Wilesco D10
I am hopeful this could be 2 burner sizes plus one tank/hose and filling needle...could someone tell my the brand of fuel canisters I would require that would be available in USA?
https://youtu.be/kKKHLidCQ4M
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I believe Nick comment that I should have gone for Wilesco D24 rather than the D20 I have coming....am I correct in thinking these are the same engine/boiler with the steam gauge and oiler mounted in a little control house vs the gage is on the boiler and the oiler on cyl in D20....with all other specs the same other than that?
I have never owned a D20, but I would be very happy to have one coming if I were you. Got any pictures of what you have on the way? From the specs on their website, it looks like the D24 hold 70cc’s more water and has a slightly larger baseplate. Can’t find specs on the engine itself...
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I believe Nick comment that I should have gone for Wilesco D24 rather than the D20 I have coming....am I correct in thinking these are the same engine/boiler with the steam gauge and oiler mounted in a little control house vs the gage is on the boiler and the oiler on cyl in D20....with all other specs the same other than that?
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If you do go with a 75 and a BIX burner, you’ll have to remove the fuel tray holder, but that’s easy enough to do and can always be put back to original.
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I for one would like to know where nice Jensen 75 is for sale for $100??
There is a #75 just listed with a starting bid of $70.00 probably go for a bit over $100 , but who knows ? Looks to be in better than overage condition.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Jensen-MFG-Co-Inc-Steam-Engine-Style-No-75/333865727882?hash=item4dbbf2b78a:g:4usAAOSw9FlgCt9n
Nice earlier one too, respray the corroded brickwork with some stove paint and you’ll have a very good engine. Try offering $85 before it gets any bids ;)
Good advice , works for me occasionally👍
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I for one would like to know where nice Jensen 75 is for sale for $100??
There is a #75 just listed with a starting bid of $70.00 probably go for a bit over $100 , but who knows ? Looks to be in better than overage condition.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Jensen-MFG-Co-Inc-Steam-Engine-Style-No-75/333865727882?hash=item4dbbf2b78a:g:4usAAOSw9FlgCt9n
Nice earlier one too, respray the corroded brickwork with some stove paint and you’ll have a very good engine. Try offering $85 before it gets any bids ;)
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I for one would like to know where nice Jensen 75 is for sale for $100??
This one looked once fired and would have cleaned up to near new (only missing smoke stack), sold for $81 and $12.50 shipping
https://www.ebay.com/itm/JENSEN-1930-039-s-Dry-Fuel-Fired-steam-engine-STYLE-75-Jeannette-PA-/203248960425?hash=item2f529503a9%3Ag%3A%7EskAAOSwvEZgAeO9&nma=true&si=dkiZniuy6QAzRjS%252Fd2FjtAGoVls%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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I for one would like to know where nice Jensen 75 is for sale for $100??
There is a #75 just listed with a starting bid of $70.00 probably go for a bit over $100 , but who knows ? Looks to be in better than overage condition.Good luck 😉👍
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Jensen-MFG-Co-Inc-Steam-Engine-Style-No-75/333865727882?hash=item4dbbf2b78a:g:4usAAOSw9FlgCt9n
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I for one would like to know where nice Jensen 75 is for sale for $100??
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I've been looking for a D24 for a few months now , best one (for the money) I saw had an older style generator included & had a BIN of $399
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OK... got it. I don't think they come up all that often tho, especially for under $100. Good job on that one.
Definitely not often enough! I just did a completed listing search on the D20 and even those are selling for good money right now, most in the $150-250 range, and some as high as $300, where the Jensen 75 is common enough to still find a good one in the $100 range.
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OK... got it. I don't think they come up all that often tho, especially for under $100. Good job on that one.
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Really? I havent seen a D24 go for $200... ever.
I'll have to keep my eyes peeled.
The one in the link above sold in October at $285, but came with 6 accessories which if sold on would have made it a $200 engine. I don’t think I’d ever sell one on again for $200... Owen was a good friend and it was a dream of his to own one.
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My $94 D24 (ignore the ugly Photobucket watermark)
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Nick - curious, you said a few bucks more... what would you say are the going rates for both used and new D24s? I've always thought they were quite a bit more than a D20.
Thanks
I gave $94.07 for my first D24 and sold it for the same price to Owen Kraus. It wasn’t perfect, but it was a gray-base and great runner and I really regretted letting it go...
A good D24 can be found in the $200 range, but not many in the past year... There has been a beauty on ebay for $500, while I feel it’s overpriced, it’s still cheaper than a new one.
I tried for this D24el, but came up short. If you take the cost of the accessories off the winning bid, you’re down around the $200 mark:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/WILESCO-D24-STEAM-ENGINE-WITH-8-ACCESSORIES-VERY-GOOD-CONDITION-/303732431236?hash=item46b7dd1984%3Ag%3AgbsAAOSw0p9fjJcm&nma=true&si=dkiZniuy6QAzRjS%252Fd2FjtAGoVls%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Nick - curious, you said a few bucks more... what would you say are the going rates for both used and new D24s? I've always thought they were quite a bit more than a D20.
Thanks
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Looks like Bruce and yourself have already covered it all, other than my opinion of get them both :D
But then we move onto the next point... if you’re going for a Wilesco D20, why not just skip ahead for a few more bucks to the D24 which is my favorite of the larger Wilesco’s... In all honesty, I think you’re headed for a downward spiral like the rest of us and your shelves will soon be full 😂
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You have made quite an austute observation , and accurately so of both engines, keeping in mind that I favor Jensens & am currently into Wilesco's , I would choose the Wilesco D20 over the Jensen #75 for most of the reasons you discussed . I differ with you a little bit in that I think the Wilesco fire box is better looking , Jensen refuses to use heat resistant paint & thus they look bruised very early on. if you take care of a Wilesco boiler (empty it and keep dry when not in use) , it will last a long time . both throttles have their own special quirks , a Jensen throttle tends to leak and are not very good for incremental adjustments (an important benefit) Wilesco throttles (the wheel type) don't generally leak but are finicky to use ,many times I've went to turn it in and have the engine speed up first before slowing down , if you pull up on them as the engine is running the engine Will speed up, it has a rubber bushing that is a little spongy until some steam passes through & the threads don't appear to be all that precise. The standard Wilesco stanchions (bearing towers) are better than the Jensen stamped tabs on the #75/25 , but the Jensen are more than adequate and I've rarely see one worn oval. I also believe the Wilesco faux governor is superior to the Jensen, the Jensen governor robs a noticeable amount of power and therefore I usually don't connect the spring on my Jensen (when not making a video) not so on my Wilesco's. The bobbing of the Jensen reverser is proper and needs to occur , any attempt to circumvent this activity will result in the valve not opening or closing unrestricted and will cause poor running....or no running at all. The connecting rods on both are adequate for they're specific applications.(Jensens #75/25 have a replaceable connecting rod pin/screw) Now if we were comparing a Jensen #20 to a Wilesco D20...hands down the Jensen #20, leagues apart !
My 2 1/2 cents worth. (I do currently own all of these engine plants)
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First...I do not want to start a war or badmouth either make! I would just like some honest pros and cons of each? I am new to steam and have a nice older D20 on order and am considering the purchase of a Jensen 75 as well, this is the propose of my thread. I would like to make my beginner observations known so that others may correct me if I am wrong and also ad to the observations of things I may not have considered? I will point out my observations are from watching a few hrs of YouTube and not personal experience!
Jensen pros and cons...the Jensen seems known for power so the piston/cyl/valve must be well machined, also the boiler is considered far stronger than Wilesco...this is a very important component! The steam pipelines are very simple and easy to work on Jensen, this is a plus in my book!
To me the largest downside to Jensen 75 is the bearing towers on each side of flywheel seem to only be bent sheet metal tabs with a drilled hole for shaft vs Wileso is castings bolted to base with oil cups.
The brickwork around boiler seems to discolor more easily than Wilesco? I may be wrong about this? I am hopeful if I use a BIX burner may reduce or eliminate problem?
There is a red knob near cyl that jumps wildly during run (reversing knob)?? Could this be adjusted to not jump around???
Wileso D20 has a bit prettier tin work base and perhaps posts around engine are nicer? The brick embossing in base a nice touch. The Wileso seems to have cast connecting rod perhaps a bit more substantial than Jensen? It seems to also be known for decent power and smoothness. Also the Wileso fly ball governor seems a little nicer than Jensen?
Have I given these engines a fair shake? Are these two models fair to compare or is there a Wilesco model closer in spec to the 75? I hope I have not offended anyone with my thoughts and would welcome input!