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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: B-Train on March 28, 2019, 10:32:43 pm
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Thanks for the replies and suggestions.
I did isolate the bottom end by detaching the
conrod and while it was just a smidge loose it
was not at all bad. The horizontal guides are
not the problem, either. The valve gear is
ok, so, it seems that leaves the piston/cylinder
alignment and sealing material. I guess I'll
have to pop off the head to see what is up.
May have to, gulp, pop the piston out. Maybe
I should buy an instruction set before doing
anything. Probably right.
Wayne
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graphite yarn or teflon yarn for rings available at local plumbing supply works well in small steam engines as well, and really no break-in period.
crazydoug
Yep! But the engine itself, after machining, need break-in period. If his engine feels "stiff", I imagine it can origin from some mechanical friction caused by no or bad break-in. Same thing if the builder choose to use, for any reason, o'rings instead of teflon or graphite...
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graphite yarn or teflon yarn for rings available at local plumbing supply works well in small steam engines as well, and really no break-in period.
crazydoug
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I have a pmr #1 that runs but feels stiff - not the rod or crankshaft,
they are good. It almost feels like there are 'O' rings....on the piston?
Could this be so? And if so, how many should there be? The builder
put three rings on the feed pump ram, more than the instructions,
but it worked with some fussing.
The problem can be o'rings, but it can also come from some misalignment of internal parts of the engine. Did the builder make a good "break-in" ? PMR provide teflon rings instead of o'rings, but the builder could choose for any reasons to put o'rings, that work too. For myself, I think your best way is to look inside for some wear and alignment of the piston and rod.
And I agree about the copyright, but can give you the dimensions you need...
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Most forums request that you do not ask for , or send , copyrighted materials, but i think i have the prints for this engine and would be glad to send you any measurements you want.
crazydoug
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I have a pmr #1 that runs but feels stiff - not the rod or crankshaft,
they are good. It almost feels like there are 'O' rings....on the piston?
Could this be so? And if so, how many should there be? The builder
put three rings on the feed pump ram, more than the instructions,
but it worked with some fussing. BTB - I'm not removing the head
to check the piston assembly until I know what to expect inside.
After all, it is a …….runner.
Anyhow, if you could shoot me a page or two of the plans that show
the piston assembly and installation it would help. More than one
motorhead agrees that the stiffness is, almost, rubbery. It runs off
the pm vertical boiler but not for very long.
Thanks from Brooklyn,
Wayne
vertical boiler but not for very long. If I could get it to tick over
on lung power, well, I'd feel like I was living in the tall cotton.
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the minimum pressure that the pressure gauge needs to register (anything) is greater than the pressure it takes to operate the engine...not at all uncommon , i have several engines that fall into this category.
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Ok! So I suppose that the reading on the manometer is pretty accurate. I was thinking that some air effect in internal pressure can cause false reading in any way... I can now pass to the next step, finition of the piping, paint and some details... I didn't decide yet what I will drive with it, I'm dreaming of some machine shop tools 🙄. But I'm a so slow maker...
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I don't think that is at all unusual for an engine that is well timed and in proper condition. I have a rather old 1/4 horse Sipp that runs up just fine on nothing more than my breath, and I'm not even blowing close to half hard.
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Hi guys, as a newbie in machining steam engine, I have a question about mine: is it possible to run a pmr 1 engine at virtually no psi or is my mesuring method false ? I know that my engine is pretty well setup, but a bit sceptical about this result...
https://youtu.be/U6Rxz2S8MOU
Here it is at 3.5 psi !
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuDSr2IlkEb/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=kgs1ps2blsqc