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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: txlabman on December 02, 2021, 10:14:02 am
A great thread guys!
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: RedRyder on December 01, 2021, 08:06:11 pm
Rainer, Brent, Arnold, Maxwell, You all have some amazing accessories!

I hope I didn't leave anyone out.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: St Paul Steam on December 01, 2021, 05:29:45 pm
Very nice
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on December 01, 2021, 04:23:50 pm
Gueten Oobe Arnold,
although the SACHSENMEISTER is full restored, this weak air hammer will not even flatten a cardboard...  ;D

My cast iron 1890s Rob. ZINN eccentric hammer does a much better job...  8)

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En schöönen Aabig
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: tenniV11 on December 01, 2021, 03:14:26 pm
Arnold, you may want to replace your Stuart hammer against this homebuilt massive iron Trip Hammer...
Approx. 3kg heavy and will shurely flatten a red hot nail...!  ;D

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Okay - homebuilt that's another story - but I have seen also a "Sachsenmeister" in your collection -
that is what I meant ;D  ;D  ;D
Arnold - greetings from Bodensee
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on December 01, 2021, 01:41:30 pm
Thanks Jim, posting them all at one time is impossible, because they spread around the house at several places...
Most of them have to sleep downstairs in the cellar shelf, but a few are placed in a bookshelf or temporary on one of the living room tables...

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Unfortunately Christmas is coming up soon and the table had to be emptied for the christmas tree that will take place there the next weeks...  :'(
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Quickj on December 01, 2021, 01:03:32 pm
Rainer,
I am with Charlie and the others.  Post all of the accessories you have.  I may not comment of them, But I will certainly look at them, study them, and appreciate them and you for posting.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: St Paul Steam on December 01, 2021, 01:02:30 pm

I am very interested in your accessories!

Please don't stop posting.

Best gauge of interest is not responses but views.
I am very interested Rainer , sorry you didn't garner much interest the 1st & 2cd time , but try us again , I think we can do much better this time. 😊👍
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on December 01, 2021, 12:19:00 pm
Arnold, you may want to replace your Stuart hammer against this homebuilt massive iron Trip Hammer...
Approx. 3kg heavy and will shurely flatten a red hot nail...!  ;D

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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: tenniV11 on December 01, 2021, 11:53:40 am
Mike,
I know nothing about the cutter although it looks like a steam to me. But the shaper certainly isn't functional as a shaper--yes, it can go through all the motions correctly but could never actually shave off slices of metal as a real shaper would. Too small and weak for that.

Agree - also if these drive models are cast iron and sturdy - they where produced as toys for kids and not
for real use. Well you may make a hole into wood or you may cut wood - but nothing else. The toys are only powered by spiral springs - it's also about safety. For example, I have a steam hammer from Stuart - it is really very solid - but you can't really form red-hot steel with it - haha

Arnold ;D

Congrats, these are beautiful Sharpers - and very hard to find!!!
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: txlabman on December 01, 2021, 11:25:39 am

I am very interested in your accessories!

Please don't stop posting.

Best gauge of interest is not responses but views.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on December 01, 2021, 10:26:45 am
Bruce, in another forum across the big pond I used always to introduce my lates arrival of steam toy workshop accessories.
As this forum here is more focussed on engines I thought that accessories would not interest so much.
I tried two postings about a Marklin Saw and a Bing motor but got not so much feedback...
If you like, I will appreciate to show my accessory arrivals also here and if wanted also my old stock of workshop models.

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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: St Paul Steam on December 01, 2021, 10:06:58 am
Rainer , I invite you to start a thread of your own, showcasing your wonderful collection of accessories (because I know you have many) & I would really enjoy a detailed description of each at your leisure. 😊👍
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on December 01, 2021, 02:08:53 am
Mike, your CARETTE disc cutter is a real Jeweler's or Watchmaker's tool.
Its meant to be used professionally cutting out discs out of sheet metal up to 0.5mm thick cleaner than you could do it manually with a pair of sheet metal scissors.

Other with the french LABEUR / EDOBAUD disc cutter (Cisaille) of the 1920... this one was meant as a steam toy only...

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Same story with some kind of Watchmaker's Drill Press like the french RADIGUET... they look and are shurely also have been used often as steam toys recently, but back then they where meant do be used professionally...

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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: parallelmotion on November 30, 2021, 09:48:14 pm
Mike,
I know nothing about the cutter although it looks like a steam to me. But the shaper certainly isn't functional as a shaper--yes, it can go through all the motions correctly but could never actually shave off slices of metal as a real shaper would. Too small and weak for that.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Maxwell on November 30, 2021, 08:47:37 pm
Rainer, not sure why you are saying that the circular cutter is not a steam toy?
As you see Brent shaper is very well detailed & fully functional. G. Carette made some amazing fully functional tools in the early golden years. These tools can run using any type of motor or engine.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on November 30, 2021, 08:10:53 pm
Mike, thanks for the pics.
The color of the Power Press is so ugly, only a mother will love that kid...  ;D
What you call a circular saw is a Jeweler's sheet metal Disc Cutter, not really a steam toy.
You can fix a matching piece of sheet metal with the center screw and cut out a disc.
The diameter or radius can be choosen by sliding the sled with the small adjusting wheel.
 
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Maxwell on November 30, 2021, 07:42:56 pm
Here we go Rainer, but this is not its original color; someone painted it. I am working on removing the Green paint to expose the real color as shown on the front guide

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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on November 30, 2021, 04:34:26 pm
Mike, can you show us some nice pics please !
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Maxwell on November 30, 2021, 04:16:52 pm
Brent & Rainer,

I have two Carette machine tools that are marked like Brent's shaper. A very rare circular saw, and a punch press, they both bare the same Mark in the Cast Iron casting
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on November 28, 2021, 04:45:35 am
Brent, none of them is marked ...

Only my small open CARETTE motor is marked...

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Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: parallelmotion on November 27, 2021, 11:11:02 pm
Ranier,
Are yours marked in the same way with "G.C.& Co.N."? While all of your tools above and Bruce's drill press appear in the 1911 catalog, it's strange that the shaper does not.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: St Paul Steam on November 27, 2021, 09:28:54 pm
Those are lovely Rainer , I know you have more , much more 😉😊
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: SolingerStahl on November 27, 2021, 08:18:47 pm
Brent, Thanks for the pics!
That's a very collectable model machine made in outstanding quality.
In late 1910s until 1914 when french born Georges Carette had to leave Germany, he made some very fine cast iron workshop models-
Here are some of mine...

Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Steamandoil (Tim) on November 27, 2021, 10:31:38 am
What detail! Fine examples of our hobby.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: classixs on November 27, 2021, 08:31:30 am
An amazingly detailed accessory...


Never seen one of these before, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: parallelmotion on November 27, 2021, 06:28:50 am
Thanks Jim and Bruce.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: St Paul Steam on November 26, 2021, 09:42:46 pm
Those just ooze quality of build & detail, really nice (all three) you have impeccable taste Brent.
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: Quickj on November 26, 2021, 05:34:08 pm
That Carette shaper is absolutely beautiful.  There can't be very many of these left in the world.  Thanks for showing.

Jim in Minnesota
Title: Re: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: parallelmotion on November 26, 2021, 04:02:13 pm
Forgot to include this one:
Title: toy shapers by Carette, Marklin and Ernst Plank(?)
Post by: parallelmotion on November 26, 2021, 03:58:16 pm
As promised here are photos of the Carette shaper together with a Marklin example for comparison. The quality of the Carette is even better than the Marklin and includes a tiny (but working) machinist's vice. The third (tinplate) shaper I believe to be made by Ernst Plank although I've never seen it in any of the few known E.P. catalog reprints. I have not found the Carette in any catalog as well.