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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: RichSteamTx on October 15, 2023, 06:09:12 pm
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The nut just screwed off by hand as far as I know. Yes, that is either the one I got off eBay or the one he already had.
I wonder how Weeden got these on the tank without melting them!
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This is a question regarding the 'sightglass' fitting that you
posted a photo of. It is in two pieces, the fitting and a nut(?)
of some sort. I have a Weeden 34 and those two pieces match the
lower steampipe fitting. How did you get those two pieces apart?
And, are they that melted mess later in the thread?
Wayne
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Well, not sure what my brother was thinking I told him it was soft metal and to be careful with the heat/flame.
Epic Fail
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Looks like a "Treasure Trove" of sight glass fittings for the right person or collection.
Putting any of those in a trash can would be paramount to criminal waste, so please tell me that J/K means Just Kidding!
Yes, J/K = Just Kidding!
I was trying to see if I could stress anyone out ... Winner, Winner - Chicken Winner to @Stoker ;-)
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I talked to Frank and he told me that old style glass tube is:
"Originally it would have been a 1/8 OD tube, fitted between the tops of the ports, a common fix is to drill out the port so a longer tube will fit into port same as later models. Seals cut from silicone tubing should work for either."
I think I'll be going the "drill out the port" route, so a longer tube can be installed.. It will be tricky with this soft metal fitting and I might actually talk myself out of doing it. But I am all out of small glass tubing. If it isn't one thing, its another - I knew I should have bought a larger amount of tubes a year ago!
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Looks like a "Treasure Trove" of sight glass fittings for the right person or collection.
Putting any of those in a trash can would be paramount to criminal waste, so please tell me that J/K means Just Kidding!
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Rich:
I will buy the remainder from you.
Just PM me a price.
Charlie
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Cost me a pretty penny but I got one from a eBay lot sell of mostly Weeden sight glass fittings. Now to figure out the correct glass and seal for this awful fitting, sometimes it sucks trying to get something back to original state!
I guess trash bin for the rest of them.... J/K I never know when I'll need a Weeden part ;-)
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LOL @Stoker you sure are linking to rain on my parade today but you are spot on, that is a fishing weight! Great catch! BOOO!
I hear what you are saying, I had already been in "camp Weeden #14" before Waynes YouTube videos - his post just pushed the nail all the way down into the coffin.
Edit:
"I don't think that is what my brother has - unless there are more than one Bing Clone."
When I wrote that I was actually being sarcastic (inside my head). If that helps the "hair splitting"? :-)
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Thought you said you had been to Frank's website, then if so, how can you possibly say: "I don't think that is what my brother has - unless there are more than one Bing Clone."?
Please look at the lower lefthand photo.
http://weedensteam.com/logos.html
Or maybe this will help you decide:
Weeden No. 14 Toy Steam Engine | National Museum of American History americanhistory.si.edu
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I was referring to Wayne's "Bing Clone" YouTube video - that my brother's doesn't look like it. Conversely I believe Frank/you are correct that its a early Weeden and Dave is mistaken and sent me into a tailspin LOL
Now that photo, what a superb reference - thank you so much!
Yes, I understood that you were making that comment in reference to Wayne's engine, but by that time you had already been provided with conclusive evidence that your brother's engine was definitely a Weeden and not a Bing Clone, regardless of whether there were other Bing clone versions produced or not.
Sorry, just splitting hairs it seems!
That is a very nice #7 that your brother has, though the safety valve weight is actually a fishing weight I believe.
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Among other bits!
Looks like my hunt to find a way to get its governor back on has ended. Frank has told me the cylinder is "lead", thus easy to mess up / melt.
@Stoker - that's pretty cool that write up about that Weeden at National Museum of American History - Weeden #14 (https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_847238) with its write up, that one in their photo is later than my brothers (smoke stack came out after the lever safety valve).
And now Nate (my brother) sent me this one to ID for him. I believe this is a Weeden No. 7 (https://weedensteam.com/brasshoriz.html#7) He hasn't tried to steam this one but it seems complete to me.
I am starting to get a little jealous of these photos he is sending me!
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The tell is....if nothing else, both the German engines have oil cups
Wayne
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Thought you said you had been to Frank's website, then if so, how can you possibly say: "I don't think that is what my brother has - unless there are more than one Bing Clone."?
Please look at the lower lefthand photo.
http://weedensteam.com/logos.html
Or maybe this will help you decide:
Weeden No. 14 Toy Steam Engine | National Museum of American History americanhistory.si.edu
(Attachment Link)
I was referring to Wayne's "Bing Clone" YouTube video - that my brother's doesn't look like it. Conversely I believe Frank/you are correct that its a early Weeden and Dave is mistaken and sent me into a tailspin LOL
Now that photo, what a superb reference - thank you so much!
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Thought you said you had been to Frank's website, then if so, how can you possibly say: "I don't think that is what my brother has - unless there are more than one Bing Clone."?
Please look at the lower lefthand photo.
http://weedensteam.com/logos.html
Or maybe this will help you decide:
Weeden No. 14 Toy Steam Engine | National Museum of American History americanhistory.si.edu
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I was wondering when you were going to pop in Wayne!
From your video of the Bing Clone, I don't think that is what my brother has - unless there are more than one Bing Clone. Thanks for the videos!
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This is my Bing repro of a Weeden 14
https://youtu.be/rM8UGKjKP-M
I also have a Doll repro of a Weeden 14.
Kinda looks like the pix on weedensteam
https://youtu.be/VqK-EWaCXQ8
And, of course, my Weeden 14
https://youtu.be/XLTzuYFdTwM
Wayne
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I read that on Frank's site - the photo doesn't seem to match this engine. But Dave is sure its a Bing... I think I am with Frank and you guys. I had only email Dave to see if he has some magic part to allow a Governor to be mounted (then tells me it doesn't get one because its a Bing clone).
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That shield on the end of the boiler is clearly a Weeden Logo.
It is true that Bing did produce a near replica of this engine on a special order. Sort of a long story concerning that, but rather than tell it here, I suggest you do your own research to sus out those details.
It would do you good to do so, I think!
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here's a interesting wrinkle, David Roenigk (via email) says this is a Bing? He said this after he asked for "Weeden" marking and I sent him the front cap.
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Might you have any other photos of the Brass Cover that is on the flip side of piston? I saw the other photos on your site but they aren't real good to figure out how to repo one. Might you still have contact with the owner of those photos, to get a updated / up close / higher-res photo?
We assume the two metal blobs on the top of the piston are "catches" for the brass cover. Which we assume the brass cover is just something "pretty" for the outer face of the piston? And this engine would still have a governor?
Oh - I have requested my brother to steam up the engine for a short video. If he does that, I'll upload it to my YouTube and share it. I haven't been able to find a video of one just like this one.
Lastly, when you say "one of the first engines" = pre-1900?
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With that flat slide valve it makes it one of the first engines, never seen a burner like that before but that doesn't mean it is not original, perhaps others will comment.
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Here is some new photos - let me know your thoughts. There is one showing pegs for the piston (not screws), the piston has a simply brass cross mount and other angle photos.
The burner that my brother has, might it be correct for this engine?
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Does it by an chance have a slide valve like this:
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Thanks guys for your input, I'll pass it along to my brother as 189x~190x
Looks like I over-read this statement from Frank:
"Unfortunately it looks like the dovetail had broken off the cylinder so not easy to attach a governor base."
What a bummer - I have to say that cylinder seems in rough shape all around.
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The boiler, whistle and lever safety valve with the darker green base would make it an early one, Daniels reckoning is a close as I could get to date.
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My best guestimate would put it right around the turn of the century, but it is a bit tricky as they did paint some green at a much later date, so then it would depend on what features it actually possess as well as the green painted base.
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Might there be a date range for it?
Perhaps @Weedensteam will come back and comment if it is possible to put a repo Governor Base on...
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Well, there ya go .... he beat me to the draw while I was typing!
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I believe that the green based Weeden 14's are far less common and perhaps represent an earlier model.
Frank will probably chime back in here with the definitive answer.
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That is an old and rare No.14, yes it is a good thing! Yeh it is me you ordered the parts from, they are in the mail. Unfortunately it looks like the dovetail had broken off the cylinder so not easy to attach a governor base.
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is that a good thing, having a green base?!? I think you are the fellow that helped me a few days ago for some parts! Which for the record, Thank you!
@Weedensteam -
Is there enough there on the piston to put a repo Governor Base on? Also a photo of the front (or at least I assume this is the front!).
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Rich. That looks like a Weeden no. 14 next to the no. 60.
And with a green base at that. :)
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Rich. That looks like a Weeden no. 14 next to the no. 60.
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Might as well show off what I think are other Weedens that are on my brother's shelf, there is a boat (sadly needs boiler replacement) and a cool Steamroller. I am pretty sure that's a Weenden engine right next to the #60. These engines all just fell into my brother's lap from his long time friend that passed away last year.
When my brother was a "tween" (he is 47 now) and rolling around on his bike he randomly met a older fellow in his front yard. I think something cool caught my brother's eye and asked about it. Which that is how my brother rolls, he'll talk to anyone for just about any reason (especially if you have something that looks old). Anyways they became fast friends and a large amount of items the older fellow collected ended up with my brother. Which is how I ended up here asking about Empires a little over a year ago. I wished I could remember the old guys name but he was in his 80s when he passed.
Funny how a chance meeting changes things and touches others lives. Like me bugging you all here for the last year LOL!
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Silly me, a little Googling and a email to weedensteam.com gets me the model, its a Weeden No. 60. The site, ran by a fellow named Frank, has parts for the sight glass though not the correct shape. But perhaps we can build up the lower fitting to get a glass tube in while looking for a donor (or someone here has spares!).
Nice little Weeden site and I can even get a No. 14 Burner from him.
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Hi all -
My brother has had this Weeden for a while now and has asked if anyone could help him with the lower sight fitting. As you can tell from the photo the bottom is missing and the whole plugged. He would even accept something that was made and would fit the bottom to put in a sight glass.
Also, anything interesting to know about this Weeden - I am guessing it is a bit old. Seem pretty heavy duty to me.