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Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: tsp2224 on July 21, 2024, 11:33:06 am

Typically, Falk has a JF. Schoenner only had the F stamped on bottom of base. My Schoenner is 146F and is very close to yours.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Weedensteam on July 06, 2024, 11:13:01 am

Good photos are probably more important than a brand name on a listing, avoid busy backgrounds, capture all the different angles, etc.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: tsp2224 on July 06, 2024, 08:35:03 am

I have the identical engine, stamped 146F. I'm missing most of the engine though unfortunately. Definitely a Schoenner. Falk always had JF on the engine. F stamp is typically Schoenner. Thats a beautiful engine!!

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Woe is me on March 10, 2024, 08:05:06 pm

I don't know, every Schoenner I've seen has like an olive green paint on the base and flywheel.
This one on eBay say's Jean Schoenner  J. Falk because they don't know but look at the color of
the journals and flywheel. This is like every Schoenner overtype I've seen.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/364516609738

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Woe is me on March 09, 2024, 03:29:32 pm

My Falk has 6 slots in the fire box with 4 round holes under them on both sides.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Nick on March 08, 2024, 11:20:43 am

Quote from: Tomcat22 on March 08, 2024, 07:01:51 am

If I were to offer this for sale how would I list it?

Listing it as “toy steam engine” will get you the same people as listing it with the correct manufacturer/model  ;)

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Stoker on March 08, 2024, 08:51:00 am

How about as a "Falk 456? / Schoenner 107?" with added boiler diameter, flywheel diameter and overall dimensions in your listing.

I'm rather leaning towards the Schoenner manufacture, based solely on the firebox's slotted vents, as opposed to Falks more typical porthole vents at this smaller size overtype .... provided of course, that I'm judging the actual size of your engine correctly!?!?

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Tomcat22 on March 08, 2024, 07:01:51 am

If I were to offer this for sale how would I list it?

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Tomcat22 on March 06, 2024, 05:04:47 pm

So perhaps this may be a Schoenner and not a Falk?  I suppose if one bought out the other it could be? 

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: txlabman on March 06, 2024, 08:25:34 am

My Schoenner 107/13 has the 141 F stamp on the underside of the Base.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Stoker on March 05, 2024, 06:15:45 pm

The "F" could suggest Falk, but not a certainty. May just be a part or casting number.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: parallelmotion on March 05, 2024, 06:09:15 pm

More likely a part number than a model number. It's a tossup between Schoenner 107_S or Falk 456_S.I'm inclined to think Schoenner lacking any "J.F." on the underside of the base. They are almost identical as Falk took over Schoenner's production.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Tomcat22 on March 05, 2024, 05:54:30 pm

OK the base is 7 7/8 inches by 5 inches and it is stamped on the bottom with 142.F.
Am I to assume that is the model number?

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: txlabman on March 05, 2024, 11:04:03 am

I think it is a Schonenner Model 107.

What are the dimensions of the base?

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: parallelmotion on March 05, 2024, 09:22:02 am

If unmarked it's more likely Schoenner.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Woe is me on March 05, 2024, 09:14:43 am

I just checked mine and it's a JF 491. Look at the under side of the base right below the pillar.
That's where mine is stamped, previous owner scratch or sanded it down to see it better.

Title: Re: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: parallelmotion on March 05, 2024, 08:54:18 am

Base dimensions and boiler diameter would help.

Title: Falk Overtype Engine Model Number?
Post by: Tomcat22 on March 05, 2024, 06:49:40 am

I have this Falk Overtype Engine but am not sure what model it is?  I understand it is a No. 456/ ???
Looks to be in good shape and runs well.