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Builds, Repairs, Show Your Machines! => Technical Tips, Builds, and Help => Topic started by: Steamburns on March 29, 2024, 10:24:33 am

Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Mike on April 28, 2024, 02:52:08 pm
Late to the party here, take a look at what Jerry at Clevedon Steam has for fittings:
https://www.clevedonsteam.co.uk/products.html

He is in the UK but have found his shipments to me in Canada are quick and reasonable.

Jerry is a great guy. I order from him all the time and I get my shipment in a week which is really good for England. I recently ordered a safety valve for a boiler I just bought and he even set the pressure for me so I wouldn’t have to do it.
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Weedensteam on April 24, 2024, 03:42:23 pm
Late to the party here, take a look at what Jerry at Clevedon Steam has for fittings:
https://www.clevedonsteam.co.uk/products.html

He is in the UK but have found his shipments to me in Canada are quick and reasonable.
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Steamburns on March 30, 2024, 01:52:17 am
I think this type of solder to threaded adapter may be what you’re referring to (in model engineering size), but without a picture that’s only a guess.

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A fitting on one of my engines.
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You may find the type fitting(s) you are thinking of in the resources listed below. There are many other online resources where you will find helpful information. Once you have identified the fitting(s),you might want to post pictures here.

https://www.ajreeves.com/

https://www.munotmetalloys.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-copper-pipe-fittings/

https://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/nibco/copper-fitting-catalog/12637-123275.html

https://maccmodels.co.uk/

https://www.ekpsupplies.com/steam-fittings-and-parts.html



As others have said, PM Research is a very good resource.

https://pmmodelengines.com/pipe-fittings/


I appreciate these kind of replies. Thank you!  We all gotta learn & start somewhere.  I feel like some people just don’t want to share, like it’s some secret, lol!
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Hassellbear on March 29, 2024, 10:00:06 pm
I think this type of solder to threaded adapter may be what you’re referring to (in model engineering size), but without a picture that’s only a guess.

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A fitting on one of my engines.
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You may find the type fitting(s) you are thinking of in the resources listed below. There are many other online resources where you will find helpful information. Once you have identified the fitting(s),you might want to post pictures here.

https://www.ajreeves.com/

https://www.munotmetalloys.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-copper-pipe-fittings/

https://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/nibco/copper-fitting-catalog/12637-123275.html

https://maccmodels.co.uk/

https://www.ekpsupplies.com/steam-fittings-and-parts.html



As others have said, PM Research is a very good resource.

https://pmmodelengines.com/pipe-fittings/
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Steamburns on March 29, 2024, 02:24:01 pm
They don't know what you "need", so there is no way they could "tell" you that, but they offer a selection of materials from which you can decide what you need, however, the decision is yours to make based on what is available.

There is nothing in the catalog (it appears that they don't offer it in hard copy anymore) that isn't in their website catalog, so that resource should be adequate.

Perhaps I should also point out that your local hardware store likely has small copper tubing and fittings for hooking up things like swamp coolers and the like, so perhaps a trip there would be of service to you.

Understood.  But I don’t know fitting names. I need copper pipe to fit into fitting screws that are hollow. 
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Stoker on March 29, 2024, 02:17:21 pm
They don't know what you "need", so there is no way they could "tell" you that, but they offer a selection of materials from which you can decide what you need, however, the decision is yours to make based on what is available.

There is nothing in the catalog (it appears that they don't offer it in hard copy anymore) that isn't in their website catalog, so that resource should be adequate.

Perhaps I should also point out that your local hardware store likely has small copper tubing and fittings for hooking up things like swamp coolers and the like, so perhaps a trip there would be of service to you.
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Steamburns on March 29, 2024, 01:27:09 pm
I'd recommend getting yourself a PM Research Co. catalog, as it has a whole lot of that kind of information, and more, in the reference sections in the back.

I’ve been to the website but it doesn’t tell me what I need, just the pieces available for sale - where can I find a catalogue like this?
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Stoker on March 29, 2024, 11:50:57 am
Soft solder does work for steam joints that will NOT be exposed to direct flame. I much prefer Staybright brand solders, with a small percentage of silver, for soft solder jobs as it is much stronger with a somewhat higher temperature tolerance than standard soft solder. But for anywhere that flame is likely to be near or come in direct contact with any solder joint, then true silver soldering (silver brazing) is far and away the better way to go!
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Steamburns on March 29, 2024, 11:05:56 am
Solder.


Soft solder?
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: Stoker on March 29, 2024, 10:59:11 am
I'd recommend getting yourself a PM Research Co. catalog, as it has a whole lot of that kind of information, and more, in the reference sections in the back.
Title: Re: Copper pipe help
Post by: txlabman on March 29, 2024, 10:37:00 am
Solder.
Title: Copper pipe help
Post by: Steamburns on March 29, 2024, 10:24:33 am
I need some help understanding what fittings and size copper piping I need.   I want to use copper pipe for some of my engines thus I need copper pipe with a union fitting from 1/4” compression to 1/4-40 tpi.   What size diameter pipe should I buy? Also, how do I fit copper pipe onto a threaded fitting?