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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: tenniV11 on June 12, 2024, 05:38:24 am
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Arnold
That boiler is different, looks like some form of a water tube boiler. Looks like you have a unique engine for sure.
My wife also collects toy sewing machines, those little ones that work. She found a Singer from the early 1920's several weeks ago on ebay with some unusual stenciling. Turns out, according to one of the guru collectors in England, he has only seen one other.
Every once in a while we collectors get lucky.
Bob
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Bob - thanks for your info's
the engine is mentioned in a publication from "Battenberg"
translated:
horizontal steam engine with double cylinder, Märklin, around 1920/25. two fixed cylinders, boiler feed pump, dynamo, flame tube boiler, hand-painted. without catalogue proof, no number
Very few are none - at least a Gentleman from Germany has the same.The boiler has also very unique construction with 3 tubes.The photo below shows the boiler with its cover (not mine)
Arnold :D
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Arnold
My wife has a collection of about 100 engines, 10 or so are Marklins, her latest were a 4160 and 4150 with a generator. I am laid up for a few days after some neck surgery. I decided to look through her Schiffmann book on horizontal engines. It seems like they did not make that many horizontals. I also noticed that the stack on yours only appeared on one engine, a twin cylinder. That book is really the only source I looked at and my conclusion is the following. The boiler shape, stack, and weight look like a 4158. Except the cylinders on the 4148 are back to back not separate. The 4127 has the cylinders and generator arrangement as yours, but boiler is entirely different. The firebox under the boiler has some attributes of the 4158 but without ladders and rails. The rear of the boiler has many attributes of the rear of the 4148 ie placement of manometer, whistle, and filler hole. But that is not unusual, I think stuff was likely moved or just put on at the factory in different places. Now the 4127 were made from 1921 - 1931. there was one version of the 4158 was made from 1910 - 1912. Another was made from 1919 - 1923. With the overlap of the later 4158 and the 4127 it appears there might be another model number that was a hybrid of the 4127 engine / generator and the 4158 boiler with a less outfitted firebox.
So much for my guess. Sure is a nice runner. Gen needs to get her 4150 and 4160 going someday. Looks like just some gaskets and a new filler cap. Has the burners but one is missing the two burner inserts. The manometer on the 4160 is not functional, if not leaking it can stay on until I can take it apart. I should be able to fix or make the parts.
All in all a really nice engine.
Bob
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What a beauty. Excellent shape it’s in!
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Charlie - the company is in Switzerland located.
They make top of the line steam engines/locos.
https://balson.ch/wordpress/
Have a nice day,
Arnold :D
They have some antique engines in the shop
for ex.the "Lady Stephanie" a James Watt engine six column
(way too expensive but very nice)
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Charlie - I got this rare Märklin from a Company who is
manufacturing Steam Loco's of model size - 1:3 or 1:4
for 7 1/4" and 14 1/2" tracks. Sometimes they buy from
customers old engines and this one was also such an entry.
I was there just at the right moment ;D
Here I have a picture of what they make:
Price of a new one up to 80k US$ (they also have a website)
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Arnold:
In which country is this company located?
Can you post the website?
Charlie
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Well, that's a pretty nice Marklin !
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Charlie - I got this rare Märklin from a Company who is
manufacturing Steam Loco's of model size - 1:3 or 1:4
for 7 1/4" and 14 1/2" tracks. Sometimes they buy from
customers old engines and this one was also such an entry.
I was there just at the right moment ;D
Here I have a picture of what they make:
Price of a new one up to 80k US$ (they also have a website)
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Another fantastic addition!
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Arnold:
Great addition to your formidable Marklin collection.
Did you buy this at an auction, eBay or private?
Charlie
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Wow!!! That is a beautiful steam engine!!!
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Lovely, the Marklin version of the Jensen #55G ..... or perhaps that should be visa-versa.
In any case, what a fine machine that is, truly a standout in any collection!
Interesting that they chose to put the generator back behind the cylinders, instead of out in front of the flywheel.
Thanks for sharing that beauty with us all!!!
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This is a rare twin cylinder Märklin with no reference so far!
Maybe one of the forum knows more???
Arnold :D
Size 30x30 cm - high 42 cm - Boiler 6 cm - Boiler cover 7,5 cm
Live steam video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MAo-ZC6GrR4
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