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The Regular Stuff: Chat, Buy, Sell, Off Topic, etc. => General Discussion - Model & Toy Steam Engines – Stirling Cycle – Flame Lickers – Small Antique Originals => Topic started by: RichSteamTx on November 17, 2024, 08:31:46 am
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The SV weight shown in your first photos is a fishing sinker!
That is true and it wasn't up for the task either LOL! Nate had to put on a metal funnel on the lever to keep it from popping. He has ordered a ball from eBay. Sadly the other type seems to be all gone (I actually got the last one a David Roenigk had to sell for my Big Giant).
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The SV weight shown in your first photos is a fishing sinker!
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Yep, I figured out pretty soon after I posted that it was a #7 and not a #45. Do you know if the "ball" PV weight is original, seem they had a mix between ball and what is in the photo ad - which thank you for posting that ad / write up! It is very cool that he has what seems to be the 1st horizontal engine (assuming the model numbers are in order of release).
It is very interesting that Nate's is a steel tank and not brass. While there aren't very many examples of the #7, the ones I have seen are all brass tanks! When Nate's replacement ball weight comes in, he'll do a "walk around" video and with showing its original burner. Its a minor miracle the steel / tin tank wasn't rusted anymore than it was.
Oh and yours is the 3rd with a elbow for the steam line, so I think that settles that is factory. Perhaps denotes first runs out of the factory and Nate's steel tank even a earlier run?
EDIT: I just re-read that write up on the #7, "Early models were produced with Steel Boilers." So its going to be a 1890 engine!
Thanks @txlabman / Charlie!
Here is a little longer run with Nate working the throttle :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EyYPnXk6Qs
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Rich:
It is a Weeden #7 not a #45. Here is the page from Ken Trobaugh's book on each of the models for comparison.
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The Weeden 45 is much rarer than the Weeden #7.
Thanks for posting the video of your Weeden #7 running.
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Nate got it apart, there were some minor solder joints holding things together to the base. The front bottom end cap was rusted through, he got that fixed and the back of the tank's mounting point fixed too (it was sagging in the rear). It is steamed up & held pressure! He is losing a bit from the leaky whistle - it seems like the body's threads are stripped, as it really won't tighten down.
After all that it still would not run, he though he was fighting the spring as it 100% looked like it was replaced. I suggested to take the piston mech apart to see if something was up behind the piston. It ended up being that plate behind the piston being upside down. I am trying to get him to get me a betting video but I'll likely have to ask my nephew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKGA3Aiolw
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So either what is in the photos for that "dome" is a removable cap or perhaps the stack on my brother's came with the engine? This is what it looks like when he removed the stack.
Thoughts / any information that that "dome"?
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Oh, I did find a short YouTube for a #7 - it has a elbow. So I think that steam line setup is original. Perhaps this "steel / tin" with red-ish paint is a very early engine? It seems they would move to brass, rather than revert to steel/tin?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB10o8rn2YA
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Interesting that it has a steel boiler, Ken does not mention that in his book, but not terribly surprising that Weeden may have made a few that way.
Is there any evidence of it ever having feet attached to the base like the No.45's, looks to me like a No.7 with a smoke stack added. Can't remember if the steam line had an elbow or just had a bend in it on the one I had.
What I do remember was how flimsy it was.
Thanks Frank & Nick - I agree its a #7. That was mistake not seeing the #7 at first.
One can't ever be sure with a engine of this age but the steam line seems original, the paint sure does match for Weeden's "brass/golden" color. I believe I have seen that shape of an "elbow" on other Weeden engines. Then we have the red-ish paint on the upper fittings, which seems to match. The stack does seem a bit off (over lapping at the bottom seat) and then the color seems a bit off and with a run too. Though it doesn't look bad on the engine. It does have a seam, which is pretty normal for a Weeden stack.
@Nick thank you for those photos, I had one question in my mind if that PV was a twist off.
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I shouldn’t have dug out my pictures, because now I’d like to have it back 😂
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Interesting that it has a steel boiler, Ken does not mention that in his book, but not terribly surprising that Weeden may have made a few that way.
Is there any evidence of it ever having feet attached to the base like the No.45's, looks to me like a No.7 with a smoke stack added. Can't remember if the steam line had an elbow or just had a bend in it on the one I had.
What I do remember was how flimsy it was.
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It doesn't seem its boiler is brass, as a magnet sticks to it.
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Gee, shame you sold it - I get not firing it. Personally, I don't want to touch this #45 with a ten foot pole! My brother thinks I am some kind of genius with these engines and I am not. With the lack of hits on Google, it seems like a rare-ish engine.
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Never fired mine because I didn’t want to damage the paint and didn’t have a gas burner at the time… Not sure why I sold it… :D
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Edit: Might actually be a #7?
My brother reached out to me about his Weeden #45, I think it is a pretty early one and it seems complete - other than the lead weight. The patina on it looks fabulous to me. He has tried to fire it but the boiler leaks. He thinks the tank is tin/steel but what I can see on Weeden Steam it should be brass (https://weedensteam.com/brasshoriz.html#45).
Since he thinks it tin/steel (I've pushed him to really find out), he wants me to try and seal it like I did my steel tank Big Giant. Which I don't want to, refer to the "patina on it looks fabulous to me" statement above.
Would love some thoughts from anyone owning a #45
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