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Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on June 02, 2019, 03:04:45 am
Hi Andrew, so great to hear from you my friend !

I see that you have both variations represented as well, lucky you...

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Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Scalex on June 01, 2019, 04:51:59 pm
Hi Jan I have been out of the  loop for a while and just seen this and your PM I will take pics of my two like this today and send them to you .
Lovely engine by the way
Regards Andrew
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Stoker on May 10, 2019, 02:20:04 pm
All right you guys .... now I'm going to have to go and dig a few of my #20's out to see what I have in this regard, though I'm pretty sure I don't have any of these special features, for I'm certain that if I had, I'd have noticed, and noted them on my file cards.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 10, 2019, 11:53:35 am
I guess they had never seen it before. So they just thought it was modified at some point. Plus I have been known to change and modify things a little bit myself. Like the 20R I built. ::)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Griffin on May 10, 2019, 11:40:52 am
My pleasure Jan, glad to be of help.  To be honest I had not noticed the rivet and screw mix until it was pointed out on here. 

I had noticed the older black box #20's use the single screw and plate on their "open" valve chest.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 10, 2019, 09:34:01 am
I have so been looking forward to see these, fantastic looking examples the both of them.

So cool that you have both known versions (screws/rivets and screws only)...so far.
Had you noticed the difference yourself, until this came up?


Well done, and thanks for sharing Steven !

...and Randy, why on earth would they postulate that?
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 10, 2019, 07:13:02 am
Thanks. Now I can prove the one that I've got isn't modified. I've had couple people telling me it had been modified and wasn't factory built that way.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Griffin on May 10, 2019, 05:47:45 am
As requested, I have finally got around to posting some photo's of the two #20's I have that are fitted with the stuffing box type valve.

First up is a power plant that is of 1986 vintage. You will notice that this one is fitted with two screws, and two rivets in the side of the valve chest, and the "O" ring gland in the valve stem.

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The second #20 is also a power plant, and is of 1985 vintage. This engine was once a resident of the Temple of Steam.
You will notice that this engine is fitted with four screws in the side of the valve chest, and has the same "O" ring gland in the valve stem as the previous engine.

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I am sure this will all add to the mytery of the Jensen #20 steam chest design.

Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 08, 2019, 05:12:54 pm
I figured there was more of them out there. I just haven't seen or know of any. This is getting interesting.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Swift Fox on May 08, 2019, 02:13:11 pm
Quote from: txlabman
Hmmm...

This is getting interesting.  ???

Agreed, seems more of them are coming out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: txlabman on May 08, 2019, 01:08:53 pm
Hmmm...

This is getting interesting.  ???
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Empire man 202 on May 08, 2019, 09:34:49 am
Very nice
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 06, 2019, 01:39:12 pm
Steven has replied to me via PM, and will share some detail pics of his at some point.
He has two of these, one with cast iron and one with the early teal painted stamped aluminum generator, will be fun to see if they´re different to ours here

Fingers crossed Andrew will do the same, once i get hold of him, as he (appearently) has two as well.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2019, 08:50:50 pm
Interesting that there are more variations Randy, will have to take a look at my 20's this afternoon...

Well... no luck with finding this feature on the 20's on the shelf here
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 05, 2019, 03:59:00 pm
Trying to figure out what Jensen done is part of the fun of collecting them. Just when you think you got it figured out you find something different. I have only seen 2 with the stuffing box , cap, and 4 screws in the side of steam chest. I'm sure there is probably more out there. Kinda strange that both are 20s with generators hooked to them. Wonder if he was trying to seal them up better to get more power from them to pull generator better.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 05, 2019, 11:43:27 am
Thanks Kevin (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji482.png)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Kevin68 on May 05, 2019, 11:29:38 am
A beautiful steam plant Jan, it’s great to hear fellow steamers helping each other out.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 05, 2019, 10:55:21 am
Very nice Randy, thanks for sharing !

Regarding age i was pretty close then, since the cast iron base genny, according to much more knowledgeable people than i, was decommisioned in 1979.

Will have to ask Steven "Griffin" and Andrew "Scalex for details of theirs, to see if more variations is out there.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Nick on May 05, 2019, 09:43:22 am
Interesting that there are more variations Randy, will have to take a look at my 20's this afternoon...
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 05, 2019, 09:18:44 am
Last one. Maybe some one can tell me what I'm doing worng. Every time i try to add more then one picture it comes up error and want send.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 05, 2019, 09:15:05 am
More pics.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 05, 2019, 09:14:12 am
Sorry didn't add pictures  ::)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Randy Tucker on May 05, 2019, 09:10:36 am
I have one that is the same way. Has the stuffing box, 4 screws in side of steam chest and slide valve hole is plugged.  My engine has castiron base generator on it.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Nick on May 03, 2019, 12:24:11 am
Ah, there it's back and well worth watching  8)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 02, 2019, 11:54:28 pm
Thanks guys !

@Nick Yes, i somehow managed to make it "private", should be ok now? (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji28.png)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Nick on May 02, 2019, 07:42:27 pm
I was definitely interested in this one when it appeared on eBay, and had I known what you knew about the steam chest, it may have cost one of us quite a bit more  ;)  :D

By the way, have you removed the video?
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Jim on May 02, 2019, 07:38:09 pm
What an interesting find you have acquired there Jan. All totally new to me mate.

I can see why your so happy to add that to your collection, looking forward to seeing what the old elbow grease does to this delightful piece of Jensen history.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Stoker on May 02, 2019, 04:13:32 pm
You and me both Larry!!!
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: jkbixby on May 02, 2019, 03:58:46 pm
Good looking steam plant Jan with an interesting twist - I guess I've got to pay more attention and learn more about Jensens.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 02, 2019, 03:56:48 pm
Thank you Scott !!!
You´ve made at least one person very happy today (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji482.png)
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: oilfield_steam on May 02, 2019, 03:37:29 pm
Yea, it made it!

Great engine, that one.

Enjoy it, Jan.  It has certainly found a good home.
Title: Re: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 02, 2019, 03:22:11 pm
Thanks guys, happy as a clam here

Yes Philip, it is a factory production, but i assume these were an experimental batch(es), rather than dedicated "specials".
However, that´s all gueswork on my behalf, and would be very happy to be educated... GIL, need you here !!!

I naturally couldn´t resist testing it on steam, now that it was out of the box, and besides being a bit "dry", it performed very nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERFtAO-g4OY
Title: Re: Semi-rare jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Swift Fox on May 02, 2019, 02:19:09 pm
Nice haul Jan!
The valve stuffing box is also a new one on me, i take it was a factory special?

Title: Re: Semi-rare jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: Stoker on May 02, 2019, 02:15:12 pm
This is all news to me. I've seen the blue anodized #15 bases before, but the valve spindle stuffing box is a new one on me.

Cool find and great Forum assist on the deal. Delighted to learn about this!!!
Title: Re: Semi-rare jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: St Paul Steam on May 02, 2019, 02:07:21 pm
I don't guess I even knew of such a thing Jan, I've  seen the "0"ring on the inside of the slide valve ...but never noticed the rest before , there is alot of extra work in that one.
Nice catch & assist from Scott.
looking forward to the video.
Title: Semi-rare Jensen 20 Big Power Plant
Post by: classixs on May 02, 2019, 01:59:06 pm
Just collected an engine at the local postoffice, that have lived on the wishlist for quite a few years now.
Scott orchestrated initial purchase and reshipping, and for that i am eternally grateful. Thank you my friend, MUCH appreciated !!!

I just ripped it out of the box, and shot these pics as is, but am certain that some simple cleaning, will bring this one back to as new condition.

Datewise it´s an early 80´s Jensen 20 as far as i can tell, and the "special" part about it, would be the blue anodized generator, combined with a #20 engine sporting a "valve stem stuffing box".

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Comparison pics of the engine itself:

The rear end of the piston valve bore is plugged.
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The "stuffing box" and 2 rivets/2 screws in side of steamchest.
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Standard #20 engine, with no "stuffing box" (please take my word for that), 3 rivets in the steamchest, and open piston valve bore:
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