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Title: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: rodnoc on January 31, 2023, 01:09:52 am
I suspect that you guys might like to see what Jin's 1886 Benz engine looks like.

It is very nicely made.
(https://i.ibb.co/sFkPL4K/A-IMG-1981.jpg)

Starting with the guts of the intake slide-valve.

The original engine used spring pressure to seal the slide.  Jin uses o-rings.
(https://i.ibb.co/mHr47LS/a-IMG-1979.jpg)

The intake slide

(https://i.ibb.co/tLJXsD9/b-IMG-1977.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/ypr3vk5/c-IMG-1975.jpg)

The above part flipped.

(https://i.ibb.co/zSRV5qZ/d-IMG-1976.jpg)

The exhaust valve.
(https://i.ibb.co/1qkYBfQ/e-IMG-1982.jpg)

The exhaust-valve head visible in the recess, and the unusual piston 'crown'.

(https://i.ibb.co/g3yGgJS/f-IMG-1983.jpg)

Tiny spark plug. It needs to be removed to get the piston out.

(https://i.ibb.co/g3PwTZg/g-IMG-1987.jpg)

To get a look at the piston, I removed the rod cap....

(https://i.ibb.co/TH6tN1M/h-IMG-1984.jpg)

...and pulled the piston down far enough to push out the wrist pin. Then pushed the piston out the top.

(https://i.ibb.co/c8Y1r5J/i-IMG-1986.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/vDxZcyZ/j-IMG-1989.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/qkzg5ST/k-IMG-1990.jpg)

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Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: komet163b on January 31, 2023, 11:41:37 am
  Verrrry cool.  Nice sequence of pix.  Makes me want
to buy one - and I don't collect IC engines!

  Does the piston match the original or is made to
such a strange shape for another reason?

Have lots of fun,
Wayne
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: Steamloco on February 01, 2023, 09:59:18 am
Since the head is flat, the piston "crown" area becomes the combustion chamber. Don't know if that is related to the original engine.
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: rodnoc on February 01, 2023, 12:31:12 pm
Searching for data about the original engine is becoming a black hole for time.  What I've seen of the Benz 1886 patent just shows some detail about the car.  There are apparently a few full-scale operational copies of the car and it's engine in existence, so there must be some engineering drawings somewhere.  I'm still looking.

The original engine had a compression ratio of 2.7:1 (not much) and made about 3/4 hp at 400 rpm.
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: rodnoc on February 02, 2023, 02:16:52 pm
I missed a photo in the pile.  Better late than never.

The exhaust valve assembly.  This also shows a closer view of refinement to the head which is a casting with surface roughness.  To ensure a good seal with the head gasket I smoothed it with 600 wet/dry on a surface plate.


(https://i.ibb.co/py1TW3z/IMG-1995.jpg)
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: RobA on February 07, 2023, 04:33:16 pm
Is the piston pin secured in some way? Due to the unique vertical axes of rotation of this engine, the pin would have a tendancy to fall down and rub against the cylinder wall.
Beautiful and well done engine!
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: Jim on February 07, 2023, 05:07:35 pm
Thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: rodnoc on February 07, 2023, 08:22:59 pm
Is the piston pin secured in some way? 
No, and it is free enough to move.  During reassembly I sliced two wafers from an old o-ring so each end of the pin had a buffer.  The wafers are thin so they don't create any drag.  I've done this to several engines and it seems to work fine.
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: Fullraceflathead on February 11, 2023, 03:49:51 pm
Excellent detailed photos thank you very much!!!
Title: Re: Jin's R18 Benz engine detail
Post by: gamma13r on March 09, 2023, 04:39:57 pm
Huge thanks for your post and sharing all your pics, rodnoc.

My R18 just arrived the other day, it’s such a sweet little engine;
I am beyond impressed w’ it.