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Looks like a decent hobby mill you have there Charlie ..... but you really shouldn't go barefoot in a machine shop! 

Ouch!!!    ;c)

I was just taking pictures.

I didn’t notice that my ugly foot got in the picture until you mentioned it. :)

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Looks like a decent hobby mill you have there Charlie ..... but you really shouldn't go barefoot in a machine shop! 

Ouch!!!    ;c)

I was just taking pictures.

I didn’t notice that my ugly foot got in the picture until you mentioned it. :)

Nothing especially ugly about your foot Charlie, but I just had to wince thinking of a nice sharp curved chip piercing the bottom of your foot and how much fun that would be getting it back out.

I diligently sweep the floor around my machine tools after every use, but still find nasty little sharp chips around on the floor, and other places you wouldn't really expect, afterwards.

For that matter, I always remove and check the bottom of my shoes and other clothing before reentering the house, as should any of those nasty little chips get into the carpeting then into my Lady's foot, I'd certainly have to be looking for a new place to live!!!
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Looks like a decent hobby mill you have there Charlie ..... but you really shouldn't go barefoot in a machine shop! 

Ouch!!!    ;c)

I was just taking pictures.

I didn’t notice that my ugly foot got in the picture until you mentioned it. :)
Charlie got busted...lol
nice looking set-up there Charlie, my Taig mill is smaller than yours, but has served me well for 10+ years (ever since Dean Williams was on the Mamod forum)
I am going with R-8 collets (well that's what the machine takes) I already have them, & a set of C-5 collets. I plan on picking the brains of the machinist on here about many things most likely. I am drooling over so much tooling & buying bits & bobs here & there when I can. (this is fun)
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My little mill has an R-8 spindle nose, probably mostly because that is what I was used to working with on the Bridgeport where I was last enslaved. I do have an ER-25 set of collets that came with a R-8 mounting chuck to hold them, but rarely find use for them on the mill, while I do use them extensively on my Atlas 618 in a collet chuck I built from a Dean Williams tutorial.
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Hey Bruce

Don't know if you are still looking at Precision Mathews, or even column mills of any brand, but since you started this thread, I've been looking around at what's available and comparing it to my little Grizzly mill. I am still perfectly happy with my G0704, but it seems like you have jumped up a level or three as you are now talking about an 1,100-pound machine it seems, and that is in a completely different class from what I have.

However, one thing I've noticed about PM column mills that would make me lean that way rather hard were I to be buying now, is the way that the column is mounted to the base on the PM machine looks to be much more ridged than how my Grizzly mill column is attached. Of course, being more ridged, does not mean that it is necessarily square to the table as received from the factory, but it does mean that once properly squared up, it is less likely to go out of square caused by taking a heavy cut or similar stress.

Just another point to ponder!
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Hey Bruce

Don't know if you are still looking at Precision Mathews, or even column mills of any brand, but since you started this thread, I've been looking around at what's available and comparing it to my little Grizzly mill. I am still perfectly happy with my G0704, but it seems like you have jumped up a level or three as you are now talking about an 1,100-pound machine it seems, and that is in a completely different class from what I have.

However, one thing I've noticed about PM column mills that would make me lean that way rather hard were I to be buying now, is the way that the column is mounted to the base on the PM machine looks to be much more ridged than how my Grizzly mill column is attached. Of course, being more ridged, does not mean that it is necessarily square to the table as received from the factory, but it does mean that once properly squared up, it is less likely to go out of square caused by taking a heavy cut or similar stress.

Just another point to ponder!
Thanks Stoker
If I buy new ,it will be a Precision Mathews most likely. I like the PM932V vertical mill, crazyDoug has one of these also. The price difference seems to be acceptable, I'm also liking the PM1130V lathe. I have found 2 PM mills that are fairly new on FB marketplace ,although they are not very close to me albeit somewhat cheaper than new. Precision Mathews seem to be a little better made as far as the Chinese tools go. I am trying to deal with a nice little South Bend model A lathe that will be a nice compliment to my SB model C with many more features than mine has and the benefit of sharing all tooling, but the seller is a real squirrel and I can't peg him down on anything, cost, time to see it,availability, what is included...ect, but by the photo's I really like what I see.
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Sounds like you are deep into the hunt and stalking your quarry carefully.

Best of luck and I hope you manage to bag your limit!!!
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Does anyone have any knowledge/experience with Baileigh mills, this one caught my attention. Vertical Mill Drill - (VMD-931G) although the quill travel is quite miniscule.
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I have no knowledge of this Baileigh mill, but the picture makes it look like it has the same base casting and column attachment style as does the Precision Mathews, which I would definitely rate as a better system than my Grizzly. The specs I'm seeing say that the VMD-931G has 4.75" of quill travel which is only 1/4" less than the Bridgeport I used to work with, and more than twice what my little G0704 has available. I'd say the 4.75" should be more than adequate for almost anything you'll need to do, but the column can give you over a foot more Z-travel drop should you need it.

I will say that perhaps my biggest disappointment with my little Grizzly mill is the small amount of quill travel at just barely over 2", but rarely do any work that require accommodations for that short travel, while in spite of that shortcoming, I'm still quite happy with it and wouldn't likely be able to give any bigger of a mill a home anyway. Looks like that Baileigh is nearly four times the ship weight of my little G0704, but also twice the horsepower as well. I'm sure that it also has a host of other superior features to offer such as the power table feeds shown!
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I have no knowledge of this Baileigh mill, but the picture makes it look like it has the same base casting and column attachment style as does the Precision Mathews, which I would definitely rate as a better system than my Grizzly. The specs I'm seeing say that the VMD-931G has 4.75" of quill travel which is only 1/4" less than the Bridgeport I used to work with, and more than twice what my little G0704 has available. I'd say the 4.75" should be more than adequate for almost anything you'll need to do, but the column can give you over a foot more Z-travel drop should you need it.

I will say that perhaps my biggest disappointment with my little Grizzly mill is the small amount of quill travel at just barely over 2", but rarely do any work that require accommodations for that short travel, while in spite of that shortcoming, I'm still quite happy with it and wouldn't likely be able to give any bigger of a mill a home anyway. Looks like that Baileigh is nearly four times the ship weight of my little G0704, but also twice the horsepower as well. I'm sure that it also has a host of other superior features to offer such as the power table feeds shown!
Thank you, I guess I saw Drilling Capacity (In)1.5 then elsewhere it say 1.75" a bit confusing, & the weight seems to change in different places as well (maybe a stand added in)
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Sometimes I feel like I'm learning machining all over again, (the correct way) I got my QCTP & accessories in and have been adjusting to them over from the old lantern style tool holder, although I was pretty good with the lantern post, these quick change tools are a lot more fun. I've been looking at nice machinist mill vises...my the good ones aren't cheap re:Kurt,  😉
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Well, I've been pretty busy here in St. Paul In, I've acquired 3 new (to me) pieces of machinery. Here is a Precision Matthews PM-935TS. in my usual fashion I have performed a few "Quality of life" improvements on it.

https://youtu.be/8sqTn54lNIo
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Oooooooohhhhhh ..... That's real Purty!

Great that you went upscale to get a knee mill with a longer spindle throw!!

Major CONGRATULATIONS Bruce .... she's a real beauty!!!

Oh yeah, and one other thing .... WELCOME BACK BRUCE ..... you've been well missed.
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Well, I see you went with the "buy once, cry once" motto and got a great mill! This should easily last you for several lifetimes and you'll never outgrow it. Whoever had it before you certainly didn't use it much as it still looks absolutely brand new.
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No wonder you've been AWOL Bruce......my mini mill looks now like even more of a toy than it is!!!

That's some serious metal you have there mate!!!
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