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I worked part time at a Hobby Shop during my college years, in the late 1960' & early 70's (truly a life ruining experience it now seems ;c), but we never stocked nor sold any steam engines back then ... possibly a good thing, or this "disease" might well have taken me much sooner, back when I could least afford it!?!?

That's what started it all Daniel :)

Well Jim ... it didn't start my steam engine addiction, but it fully ruined me in other ways that I still suffer from to this very day. R/C boats, tanks and airplanes, but most especially model trains have been a lifelong eater of wallet lettuce and waster of my life's time ..... to my greater enjoyment, I think?!?!?!?
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Well, I suppose it is time to post up another "Rare Pair" video, as I'll be gone again in the morning for another shoot, PCLARS this time which is more likely to actually occur, as it is mostly attended by locals and takes a lot less time to accomplish while wind is less of a factor because the distances are far less.

This is the last video that I had planned to put on my table this year, but it is of some recent significance to me because of a bit of a battle I've been fighting of late. After the video I'll explain a bit and leave links to other threads on the General and Restoration Boards here on the Forum to give a more fulsome explanation.

While this pair of engines really are not truly rare, they are uncommon enough to get most peoples attention, and are not seen together in one video very often at all.

So here we go:



These are of course both Grant Sipp horizontal engines in 1/4 & 1/2 horsepower sizes, and are both some 90 to 140 years old. The smaller one I've had for quite a while and have done absolutely nothing to it. It seems to be untouched, fully original and appears to have led a significant working life. In the video, I simply have the airline to this engine plugged into the exhaust of its big brother, so it is probably operating on about half the air pressure driving the larger engine. This little jewel will actually operate up to a fair speed on nothing more than my lung power, in spite of its slightly shabby appearance and significant age.

Meanwhile the larger engine is a very recent acquisition that has more problems than you can shake a stick at, was almost certainly built by a rank amateur from a set of partially machined castings, and could not have ever served as a working engine. I have been once through it now, and corrected a couple of the easier and more egregious problems, so that it now runs almost kind of well. However, there is a whole slew of serious problems that still need to be properly addressed before it could reasonably be considered a decent engine. Some of those problems will be quite difficult to rectify due to the bad work that had been put into it in the original build.

It's a short video because my little portable compressor has a very small tank and an obnoxiously loud motor/pump that can't keep up with this engines need for air anyway. I started at just under 50 psi and ended at about 15. I really should have just let it run on out as the engine will keep running down a little below 10 psi, though it won't start much below 20. But if I'd done that, the video would only have been a couple of seconds longer anyway.

Here is the thread where I'm still going through this engine (I'm about a week behind in posting), and shows much but not all of what I've been finding wrong:

https://www.officeofsteamforum.com/restorations/bargain-12-hp-g-sipp-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly/

Then here is the "horror story" of my originally getting the engine:

https://www.officeofsteamforum.com/general-discussion/12-hp-g-sipp-in-the-bag/

Even after all of the above ... I'm glad I got the engine, and also glad I've been able to get it back to at least this level of operation. It is hoped that I can eventually make a decent engine out of it, but it will take more, and much more difficult work to accomplish, than the original build could possibly have required!


Thanks to all who have visited my table, and especially to those who have taken the time and effort to comment here!!!
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Neat way to run the pair  8)  You’re definitely not helping with my desire to add a Sipp to the collection
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Lovely sipp engines, and the Canadian hot air engines are a treat to see them running.

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I am definitely adding a Sipp here  8)

So cool to have the two running together there, thanks for sharing Daniel!
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Excellent Rare Pair Daniel.

I am sure you will get the big one sorted out.

Hopefully you can devise a way to run them on steam some day.

Good luck with the shoot. 

I really enjoyed your table this year. 🤠

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Thought maybe I'd provide an encore performance for any of the Sipp Lusters out there. So here is a brief run of the 1/4 hp on nothing but a single breath worth of lung power, just to get your engines runnin' one more time!

Enjoy:





Actually, I usually do quite a bit better than this, as I didn't catch that good of a breath going into it. I should point out however that my lung capacity is significantly greater than most folks, even with the slightly compromised lungs that I now have.
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I really like your Eco motors Daniel , & like Charlie has stated, I've bid on several & captured none, it seems you have the big Sipp  running reasonably well despite all its shortcomings , thanks for the entertainment.
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Impressive Lung Power video! Liked the end  ;D
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Impressive Lung Power video! Liked the end  ;D

How impressive was that huh!
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A neat way to close out your table Daniel.

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Pretty impressive that a relatively large engine like that will run on a breath of air...

Have really enjoyed your table here Daniel, thanks for sharing  :)
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Seeing that this is still going, I just figured out that it ends tonight at midnight EST, while I thought for some reason that it ended last night at midnight.

So perhaps I'll see what else I can dig out to put on my table here, while there's most of a whole day left to work with now.
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Thank you for all the informations - and the very impressive Sipp engines
Great the video with "Lung Power" - also the canadian hot air's absolutely
interesting and new for me, Thanks Arnold

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Going to put at least one more entree on my table as there is some more time to fill.

These engines are not really rare at all, but they are still rather uncommon, and exceptionally unique. They have a boiler made of plastic, the water in the boiler functions as the heating element, and the engine is re-configurable into three different engine types.

I'm speaking of the K. J. Miller SE-100 Junior Engineer of course .... and here are a semi "Rare Pair" of these unusual engine in the Beam and Marine configurations:


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