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The Empire strikes again…
« on: March 08, 2019, 06:19:16 am »
And I don't mean that guy, with that breading problem from out of space.
Now, I mean the ones coming from Two Rivers, USA

A While ago Charlie and I where talking about Empire steam engines.
And that they are perhaps the most authentic American design steam engines.
Of course, Weeden copied them a bit, but it was Empire who lunched that Chroom and red design.
Somehow they always remind me of the 1930's Indy 500 glamor cars…


I sad to Charlie that a vertical B31was on my wish list, and asked him if it was possible to have a look out for one for me.
Because Empire was only sold to the American marked, so they are quite exotic here in Europe.
As Charlie  being mister Empire him self, he responded I have a few of them, and  that he could sell one to me.
So the deal was done, Charlie send it, while I was at war with customs, but that is an other story.
Anyway, it finely arrived, and to my surprise, there was not only a B31 in the box but also a  N°43.
Again Charlie thank you, you're so kind, I don't know what to say.

The B31 Is a pre WW2 engine, lovely cast base plate, super heavy, and of course, like every Empire electrically heated.
The engine Charlie send, lost a bit it's chrome shine.

You, know, if you restore engines for a long time, you start to read the unwritten history, and that can be very interesting.
Like this engine, you see the minuscule deep holes in the chroom, this indicates that the engine wasn't given an oil wipe before it was stored away.
It probably put away in a moist place in storage for a long time.
Then it probably was rediscovered with the chrome covered in green spots, due to heavy corrosion.
And then probably the most damaging to the chroom to place, when somebody try to clean it with steel wool or one of these scratchy kitchen sponges.

Anyway, tip, should you ever find chroom parts corroded, and you want to keep what's still left, then use soft polishing paste and soft cotton.
You never going to get rid of the minuscule deep holes in the chroom, but at least you don't make is worse.
Of course there is also the option of complete re-chrooming, but the question is do you want that on such an old engine.
Finish it with an oil wipe, and repeat this each time you use it.
Another tip, for chroom, WD40 is best oil of treatment.

Now, back to this engine, to get at least some of it's shine back, I first polished it, to reduce the scratch marks made by the sponge, the minuscule deep holes in the chroom will stay.
Then I used my electrolyze chroming kit to lay a new thin layer of chroom, again this will only reduce scratches, not the minuscule deep holes in the chroom.
This way the shine comes back, and it will keep its slightly corroded patina.

I now hear you say, Danny that electrolyze chroming kit how does that work.
Well first of all I do want to point out that this type of restoration was not intended for that kit.
It was a well succeed experiment of mine.
This kit is intended to lay a new pristine Chroom layer.
Normally to chroom something, one starts with a polished brass, If it's iron it will get a copper based layer first.
Then a layer of nickel comes on and polished.
And finely a layer of chroom.
The too chroom a part, gets a negative pole  put on the part.
The positive pool is connected to a Nikkel rod.
Over the nikkel rod sits a sponge towel like glove.
That is dipped into a high chroom holding liquid, and rubbed softly over the parts.
The chroom parts stick to the item and the more you go over it the more chroom sticks to the item.
Finished with a polish again.

Anyway after I got the shine back, the engine was put back together.
I noticed that there was a lot of chalk left on the inside from the water that was used.
Simple trick, some plain white vinegar and hot water, leave that for an hour, and the chalk is gone.

But by doing this I noticed a Leak on the water gauge glass.
After close inspection it turned out that the old washers had gone and a small crack in the glass pipe.
Made a new glas pipe, new washers, problem solved.

So here is a lovey soft restored B31…





And of course I had to test it.
Due that we have 220V AC here in Belgium, I had to transform the electricity to the American 110V AC.
Otherwise It would boil very fast but not for long


The other engine a N°43, Is a post WW2 one, and is in perfect condition as it is





and again tested also…


Cheers,
Danny
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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2019, 06:48:54 am »
Danny two very nice Empire engines and both are lovely runners.
Keep on steaming

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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2019, 08:22:52 am »
Danny, your B-31 vertical is a thing of beauty.  Now you need to find it's soul mate, the B-30 (horizontal).  Empire certainly made them to last and many are still ticking over to this day.

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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2019, 10:35:54 am »
Danny, your B-31 vertical is a thing of beauty.  Now you need to find it's soul mate, the B-30 (horizontal).  Empire certainly made them to last and many are still ticking over to this day.

enjoy,

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I already got a B30 and a copper N°62, for a few years now.
I rather need a B42
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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2019, 03:57:40 pm »
Lovely engines as usual Danny. Interesting about the rechroming kit - didn't know they would work that way.
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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2019, 07:55:53 am »
The 43 looks like pre WW2 is double acting while post war is single acting?

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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 08:03:20 am »
The 43 looks like pre WW2 is double acting while post war is single acting?
You could be right, I'm far form an expert on Empire.
But I do know what I like
It's just that when I looked up the N°43 on the net it stated that it was from the 1950's
If it's pre war it's even better.
Thanks for letting me know…
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 11:19:04 am »
The entire line of empire engines are quite desirable- I have all the cast iron based models and a few others. Yours are wonderful additions to any collection.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 04:25:00 pm »
I really enjoyed this thread, Danny !
Reading your initial story, the pictures and video`s.

I also find Empire-models very desireable. Their formfactor and design can be disticted from a long distance. The fact that so many have survived until nowdays; really testament to their quality.

The B-42 twin-boiler is high on my "wanted list". :-)
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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2019, 06:57:02 pm »
Great thread Danny :)
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Re: The Empire strikes again…
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 07:06:35 pm »
Nice Empires Danny, and I think Charlie needs that car with a trailer attached to pull around and display his Empire collection  ;D
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2019, 03:56:01 am »
Nice Empires Danny, and I think Charlie needs that car with a trailer attached to pull around and display his Empire collection  ;D
I would be careful with trailers, I don't know who it was anymore, but this person came back from a meeting, and his trailer caught fire.
Before he noticed it every thing went up in flames, with some rare engines in it.
Real horror story that is
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2019, 05:33:58 am »
Nice Empires Danny, and I think Charlie needs that car with a trailer attached to pull around and display his Empire collection  ;D
I think Charlie needs to "hit the road" with his collection & hire a certain truck driver (me) to ferry around his collection to all the steam meets ...lol  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2019, 05:35:38 am »
Danny ,excellent write up & chrome technique's , I must admit I clicked on your little circular picture to see what you look like  :)
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2019, 06:40:53 am »
Danny ,excellent write up & chrome technique's , I must admit I clicked on your little circular picture to see what you look like  :)

So you haven't seen this celebrity photo then
That's Phil(123) when I visited him in the UK about 2 weeks ago. (the good looking chap left is Phil, the other one me)


I presume you also go every year to Cabin Fever, geuss who you will meet there next year
 
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