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Unknown Solenoid Engine
« on: April 22, 2020, 09:35:13 am »
Hey folks a friend of mine found this engine and we cant find any info about it
Anybody got a idea   

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 11:12:35 am »
More pix would be good, from the top and bottom.
From these pix it looks a bit like a solenoid engine,
but I could be wrong. 

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 11:27:14 am »
Brain dead.  Answer before brain is in gear.
I'm losing my mind.  At least my steam
engines work.

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 11:34:01 am »
Ya its a  Solenoid Engine but that's about all we know
Thanks for looking

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2020, 01:24:58 pm »


I have 3 of those, and have never been able to identify them. Hope someone can for both our sakes
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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2020, 09:44:05 pm »
Odd unit. Has the look of 1940’s early 50’s “safety” faux steam engines. How many volts does it take to operate? AC or DC (or universal) ?

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2020, 08:11:01 pm »
110 A C  Thanks for looking

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2020, 02:42:05 am »
Thanks guys, Empire man 202 was asking for me. I took a load of photos of the engine which you can see here,

http://www.alspcs.com/UKSolenoid.html

There is also a video on my YouTube channel here,



As I said to Doug, it's obviously a commercial engine so you would think there would be more of them out there but it seems to be very rare.

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 09:40:03 am »
WOW it has a great sound

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2020, 12:50:16 pm »
Still a mystery engine to me . I do agree that it doesn’t look like it was made to be a science demonstration or school education engine. The bogus copper boiler would be superfluous for ‘education’ but does make it an attractive toy. It’s good that the boiler holds it copper luster so well over time. The metal stamped parts and overall components are not cheap-cheap, but appears well engineered. Not too expensive either, so price-pointed to sell as a mid-quality toy. As far as pre-WW2 or post war, I feel it leans towards post WW2 because of the phenolic type insulation and rivets on the make/break contacts. That cam is special and if it were late 1940’s that type commercial solenoid engine would likely be beyond the Mesco-Avery 1909 patent. The remaining electrics remind me of similar components used in U.S. post-war pinball machines .
As a caveat; quality electrical components of the late 1930’s have fooled me a few times into thinking a device was of latter vintage.
It’s a shame no numbers on the electric cords or parts. No ghost image of a UL-Underwriters sticker (that sticker would be very important for a USA 110Volt AC child's toy of the 1940s-50s).
Looking in the USA 1947-55 toy catalogs of Sears, Montgomery Wards, FAO Schwartz etc and maybe it would show up, but most times limited production toys of that era didn't make it beyond trade magazines, or the back page ads of comic books & common pulp magazines.
Best of luck with the ID !
(ps ... online example of old toy catalogs , some steam toys, but solenoid engines are rare  http://www.oldwoodtoys.com/toy_catalogs.htm

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2020, 12:23:26 am »
Still a mystery engine to me . I do agree that it doesn’t look like it was made to be a science demonstration or school education engine. The bogus copper boiler would be superfluous for ‘education’ but does make it an attractive toy. It’s good that the boiler holds it copper luster so well over time. The metal stamped parts and overall components are not cheap-cheap, but appears well engineered. Not too expensive either, so price-pointed to sell as a mid-quality...........
As a caveat; quality electrical components of the late 1930’s have fooled me a few times into thinking a device was of latter vintage........
It’s a shame no numbers on the electric cords or parts. No ghost image of a UL-Underwriters sticker...........
UPDATE — Well, the quality of electrical components in that solenoid engine did fool me! I am now pretty sure that it may be a circa 1939 ‘Hoge Mfg of New & York.”
The electrics sure had the look of good quality , and that made sense as Hoge Mfg was a USA electric toy train maker. I thinks the name is pronounced “hoagy”.
Ebay recently had a Hoge #355 Electric Steamless Engine that sure looked like the unknown solenoid engine in this original topic.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-HOGE-toy-355-electric-steamless-engine-In-Original-Box-/293786476708?hash=item446709e0a4%3Ag%3AxhoAAOSwOQ9figMt&nma=true&si=7qhfRF5MBhKz3QiTeFsXTfyQDAE%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2020, 01:15:17 am »
Brilliant, that's definitely it. Thank you so much for the info.

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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2020, 06:18:55 am »
Yes, that,s it for sure. Thanks for finally identifying these. Wish i had seen that auction!
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Re: Unknown Solenoid Engine
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2020, 01:39:40 pm »
Yes, that,s it for sure. Thanks for finally identifying these. Wish i had seen that auction!
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I bid on it, but someone wanted it more than me!