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Project Resurrection: Empire (EMPCO) B43 Strapped Boiler
« on: September 13, 2023, 12:22:08 pm »
First off some thank yous:  @komet163b (Wayne) for the donation of his EMPCO B43 Strapped Boiler and to @Paula for bailing me out on a fitting.

I been wanting to fill a hole in my collection, a Empire (EMPCO) B43 Strapped Boiler.  Wayne showed a EMPCO B43 Strapped Boiler but it is in poor shape and missing a lot of parts.  My first reaction was no-way.  Then I came across a EMPCO B-62 that was in awful shape and the boiler's base was cut out to make into a "fire burner" and the nearly the whole thing painted black.  But I saw it as a part's donor, as it has the correct "round" sight glass and whistle base for a B43 Strapped Boiler!

I have started experimenting with the "Burnt & Black" EMPCO by stripping it down Citristrip Paint & Varnish Stripping Gel.  This stuff worked great, only some minor scrapping of the black paint where the "fire" burnt it to the main base.  Though I did have to do a fair bit of sanding (wet 600 to 1000 paper).  I used RUST-OLEUM Self Etching Primer, then Krylon Rust Tough Enamel, Gloss, Cherry Red, RTA9230.  Pro-Tip - don't paint when there is a good breeze outside.  The main base is work-in-progress but the little base for the piston came out pretty good.  I wished I could take off the wheel mounts but they are rivet onto the base.  

I was hoping to use the donor's tank because I think it is in better shape but it looks like the Strapped Boiler is different (raised under the straps?).  I also got a bit of the sight's pipe stuck in the round fitting (Paula is going to save the day).  I'll also need to make a heater but I am not to worried about that part.

This could be a short thread, as I am counting my chickens before the hatch!  I will be needing some luck to complete this project ;-)
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This is the base and after wet sanding / buffing she'll go through some more coats tomorrow night.  This time I'll pull the cars out of the garage and maybe even get a big cardboard box for a "booth".  There are a number of large imperfections; caused by wind, my hanger, and tape on the wheel posts.  I likely should just strip it down again and start over.  I "think" two more coats will even it out, if I get the painting environment just right.  I just want see what I can/cannot do with the paint at this point. One could argue it looks better than how it started out ;-) 

Heck, this base may not even work properly with what Wayne is sending me.  If I do have to use that one, then this was a good learning experience.
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Thanks for the update, Rich. I'm not a big fan of painting, but sometimes it has to be done.  :P

The last six words of your post say a lot. The paint job on a project can make or break the quality of the finished appearance. And it's only by making a careful effort, and making mistakes again and again that the best techniques are learned.

Good luck with your continuing progress!

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Thanks Paula! 

I keep missing the postman, if I miss him again today I'll just have to drop off the fittings to you at the Post Office.
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Cleaning/painting his base will totally be practice, as I just noticed the straps screws into the base from Wayne's photos.  Hopefully the little hut I have fits properly, as I can see the holes on the strapped tank's base are different too (round as opposed to oval on the one I have).

I keep thinking about pulling the rivets, they are almost 6mm (~0.22 inches).  Pretty sure they are single cap and assume nickel plated but even if a 6mm single cap would look correct not sure about getting them set.  I doubt I would try, so much stuff to buy to even try it.
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Got some parts from @komet163b today - though I had to reach out via PM more the rest of them from his photos.  The Piston/Block is different, where the donor I have has the fold over cover, which isn't on the strap tank model.  Also, the donor wheel shaft diameter is to small.  The stand offs between the two bases are nearly the same, the strapped model doesn't have brass inserts and it also has a different divider between them.  The donor tank is nearly the same but the front cover is raised where the pipe goes and the treads are an insert (like the top fittings of the tanks).  Of course the lower pipe was broken inside and just like the rounded fitting I sent to @Paula, I can't get it out!

Another difference in the tank is that it has no screws coming out the bottom.  There are actually two straps on this engine model.  One inner strap to hold the heater together, then a outer strap to hold the tank to the base house!  I have the main base and the base house soaking in pain stripper - not that there was a lot of pain left but using the stripper is easier than all the extra sanding that would be needed.

Still have hopes to getting this together but its fighting me for sure.
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@komet163b - I got a good start on your parts.  The tank base is all painted and the main base is primed.  I also cleaned up the tank too, I'm actually surprised how well the tank came out to be honest.

Hopefully @Paula is having luck with the lower spherical elbow treads.  If so, then off the tank goes to her for the lower pipe hole for the same fix.

I am not sure if I have enough red paint for the base, as I used to much paint practicing on the donor's parts.  But I did need that practice.  If you look at the strap base and then back a few threads you can see the difference with the non-strap base.  The strap tank has holes for the straps and then it doesn't have that long divot.  So not interchangeable.  I also put in the photos the inner and outer straps.  They kind of cleaned up...
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Hi Rich,

No problem fixing the elbow thread. Just need to know if you want me to Loctite the new nipple into the elbow, or let you handle it at assembly.

Also, I assume you want me to hang onto the parts until you send the boiler(?).

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What a huge relief - I bet it was child's play for you!  I'll do the Loctite on final assembly and yes, hang on to the parts until the tank arrives - hope to get it into the mail tomorrow or Wednesday.

Thank you @Paula!

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@Paula - tank wrapped up, boxed and USPS labeled - just need to catch the Postman!

Here are the three base items painted - just need to wait another day or two before final sanding / polishing on the larger items.  I think this time it came out as well I as I could ever get it with a rattle/spray can.  I don't even want to try and remove the tape from the wheel stand offs until I am ready for sanding/polishing.
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Things are moving... but still dealing with paint!  I have decided I hate painting :-<

1. My new Cherry Red spray is slight darker than my last can - ugh.
2. When the can says wait 48 hours, don't wait just 24 and try to put on clear coat.  Made a freaking mess it did and had to start over on the main base.

More parts are on their way from @komet163b (Wayne).  USPS is saying Saturday but I think it is lying as they still haven't left Queens!  Paula got my tank today, so at least that is on time.  Her initial response is that the tank's lower threads should be easy to fix (YAY!).  @Paula if you look at the photo in post #4 for the tank; after your nice comment on how the tank looks when it arrived to you - that is how the tank started off before I cleaned/polished it!  So I think it cleaned up well.
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I hate painting, hate it and hate it some more.   After letting my main base sit nearly 3 days before clear coating it wrinkled.  I swear I have a bad can of paint, assuming that is even possible.  This is the one that came out a darker red than my last can of Krylon Cherry Red RTA9230.  The sub bases didn't do this, so I know how to wait enough time (and 48 hours is what the can says to do).

So I decided if I am having to strip the base again, I am stripping the other sub-bases too and getting another paint can and painting with one can.  At least I can get them primed... I am getting close to just using a big red sharpie!
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I did some research and spray paint does expire.  Best that I can tell Krylon has 5 years and there is a date code under the cans, though they don't make it so easy to read.  Luckily someone asked years ago on the Krylon side and a staff member decoded stamped number on the bottom.


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"To determine how old a particular can is, the batch number should be stamped on the bottom of our aerosol cans/containers. It will start with 1 or 2 letters, followed by 4 numbers. There are additional letters and numbers, but they have no bearing on the shelf-life. In fact, specifically, only the 4 digits matter; in terms of how old our product is.

Example:

EM2352

We manufacture by the Julian calendar.

The letters at the beginning of our code are the plant code and have no bearing on the manufacture date.
The 4 digits is all that is relevant to determine how old that particular can and contents are.
The first 3 digits are the day of the year our can was manufactured on.
The 4th number is the year of manufacture (always a 1 digit number).

So for this particular can, the batch date is the 235th day of 2012, or August 22nd, 2012."


  • The can I pulled from my garage trash can has a code of: "HL2249CB" = 229 day of 2019 or August 17th of 2019.  At least a year left before "official" expiration date.
  • The can that is discolored and not curing right: "HL0764EP" = 229 day of 2014 or March 17th of 2014.  Over 4 years past its "official" expiration date.

That is way more than I really wanted to know about the weird stampings on the bottom of a spray can.  I hope I can get a can or two that is under 5 years old!  Ugh!
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Got new cans from Napa, the labels look like what you see on the Krylon site and even the spray nozzle is different - easier to control the strap.  Though still came out a darker red than my very 1st cans I bought.  My Empire Playboy & Power Boy are closer to this color red.  I don't think I have it in me to buy even more paint cans and stripping the parts down.

Paula has the tank & fittings coming to me in the mail and I have my newly made heater blanket ready.  While I was really lucky the mica was in near perfect shape I reinforced with some of my new stock.  I'll have to find my glass tube stock or at least I think I have some that will fit the smaller fittings.


Here is a photo - same out so-so but far better than when I started out, so I'll take that as a win.  I don't think I'll re-paint the wheel, I did try that on a engine long ago and it came out a right mess.  Though it might get the better of me and I'll pull it and give it a go.
Richard