Author Topic: Opened and Tuned Another M92 Side Shaft Hit & Miss Engine Today (Read 2073 times)

RedRyder · « **on:** October 11, 2020, 08:54:36 pm »

I spent the day preparing some things for the trip to Coolspring this week.

I have 2 M92's to fix up and while one would not run the other is working great. I have written Jin about the errant one.

Below is a video.

Enjoy,

Gil

Jim · « **Reply #1 on:** October 11, 2020, 10:33:04 pm »

Thanks for this vid Gil.

I have been watching a lot of YouTube vids (and lots of yours have come up) re: Jin's H&M engines.

I finally succumbed and bought two, a M92 and one of the original ones (with the two springs on the flywheel) they should be here maybe this week.

Stoker · « **Reply #2 on:** October 11, 2020, 10:57:01 pm »

Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!

Very nice job on tuning that one Gil .... very nice indeed!

Seems like you've got it hitting about once every twenty revolutions, if my count during your slo-mo was anywhere near correct.

Jim · « **Reply #3 on:** October 11, 2020, 11:03:49 pm »

Quote from: Stoker on October 11, 2020, 10:57:01 pm

Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!

LOL

Adirondack Jack · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2020, 01:09:53 am »

A fine job making it run like a big one. Oddly enough,I first became fascinated with ball governors through my interests in word and phrase origins, and a childhood fascination with steam locomotives.

My father used to use the expression “high ballin’ for hell”. I learned that some crazy engineers, encouraged by competitive companies, would wire back governors or modify them to increase the engine speed. The saying he used refers to that, and the prohibition era creation of the “high ball” beverage was in the same vein. Add fruit juice or soda to basically undrinkable rocket fuel, you had a high ball, a high flying drink that would get the job done fast. My first motor vehicle was a motorized bicycle. I took that old Wisconsin engine apart and wired back the governor. Grin.
So watching the video, I find it amusing to see how satisfying it is to watch the little engine run slow.

RedRyder · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2020, 07:37:54 am »

Quote from: Jim on October 11, 2020, 10:33:04 pm

Thanks for this vid Gil.

I have been watching a lot of YouTube vids (and lots of yours have come up) re: Jin's H&M engines.

I finally succumbed and bought two, a M92 and one of the original ones (with the two springs on the flywheel) they should be here maybe this week.

Well done, Jim! I know you will have fun with them.

RedRyder · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2020, 07:41:06 am »

Quote from: Stoker on October 11, 2020, 10:57:01 pm

Oh no Jim ...... now you're doomed for sure !!!

Very nice job on tuning that one Gil .... very nice indeed!

Seems like you've got it hitting about once every twenty revolutions, if my count during your slo-mo was anywhere near correct.

Thanks, Daniel. It was firing each 20-26 revolutions during the slow motion. The freewheeling increases a bit more once it is more warmed up.

RedRyder · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2020, 07:41:44 am »

Quote from: Adirondack Jack on October 12, 2020, 01:09:53 am

A fine job making it run like a big one. Oddly enough,I first became fascinated with ball governors through my interests in word and phrase origins, and a childhood fascination with steam locomotives.

My father used to use the expression “high ballin’ for hell”. I learned that some crazy engineers, encouraged by competitive companies, would wire back governors or modify them to increase the engine speed. The saying he used refers to that, and the prohibition era creation of the “high ball” beverage was in the same vein. Add fruit juice or soda to basically undrinkable rocket fuel, you had a high ball, a high flying drink that would get the job done fast. My first motor vehicle was a motorized bicycle. I took that old Wisconsin engine apart and wired back the governor. Grin.
So watching the video, I find it amusing to see how satisfying it is to watch the little engine run slow.

So that's where that drink came from!

Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2020, 05:29:48 pm »

Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.

That's running very nicely Gil.

I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?

Nick · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:01:22 pm »

Quote from: Jim on October 12, 2020, 05:29:48 pm

Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.

That's running very nicely Gil.

I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?

Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.

I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?

Jim · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:10:56 pm »

Quote from: Nick on October 12, 2020, 09:01:22 pm

Quote from: Jim on October 12, 2020, 05:29:48 pm
Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.

That's running very nicely Gil.

I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?

Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.

I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?

That was a much later use of the term Nick.

http://bestride.com/news/video-the-real-meaning-of-balls-to-the-wall-balls-out-and-big-brass-balls

Jim · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:12:12 pm »

Quote from: Nick on October 12, 2020, 09:01:22 pm

Quote from: Jim on October 12, 2020, 05:29:48 pm
Balls to the wall, balls out......there's a lot of steam engine reference in daily use.

That's running very nicely Gil.

I wonder why they are factory made to run so fast?

Balls to the wall comes from pilots pushing the throttle, with a ball for a handle all the way to the panel/dash.

I’m assuming they come factory as fast runners because it’s easier to mass produce them quickly and make them runners at that speed instead of fine tuning them individually. What would Gil, Doug, Bruce and the rest have to do if they came factory as slow runners?

LOL I've spent so much time watching YT videos of model H&M improvements

Nick · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:28:35 pm »

I knew balls out for steam governors, but always heard balls to the wall from pilots.

Jim · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:34:58 pm »

Quote from: Nick on October 12, 2020, 09:28:35 pm

I knew balls out for steam governors, but always heard balls to the wall from pilots.

Nick, I'm only going on the University of Google and what I've read -

"Early railroad locomotives were powered by steam engines. Those engines typically had a mechanical governor. These governors consisted of two weighted steel balls mounted at the ends of two arms, jointed and attached to the end of a vertical shaft that was connected to the interior of the engine. The entire assembly is encased in a housing. The shafts and the weighted balls rotate at a rate driven by the engine speed. As engine speed increases, the assembly rotates at a faster speed and centrifugal force causes the weighted balls to hinge upward on the arms. At maximum engine speed - controlled by these governors - centrifugal force causes the two weighted balls to rotate with their connecting shafts parallel to the ground and thereby nearly touching the sides - the walls - of their metal housing. So, an engineer driving his steam locomotive at full throttle was going "balls to the wall". The expression came to be used commonly to describe something going full speed".

So I'd think that pilots moving the balled throttles towards the aircraft's firewall was a later adaption of the term.

Jim · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2020, 09:45:01 pm »

Its interesting that there's a lot world wide metaphors used that references steam engines and firearms....and the users of the references really don't have any knowledge of their original usage.

Shot in the dark
Joke misfired
Stick to ya' guns
Under the gun
Pulled the trigger
Flash in the pan
etc etc etc

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