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Oct 14, 2013 These are the only pictures I have that came from the auctioneer's website.
 
 It is getting crated for shipment now so I will put up some
 good pictures after it's arrival and a little clean up.
 
 I arranged for the auctioneer to call me when it came up for the hammer and let me bid live over the phone.
 (I was in Vermont at a show and the auction was over 700 miles away)
 
 It is a very large one. For size reference,
 it is sitting on 3 five gallon buckets.

Gil


 
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Posted: 6:17 PM - Oct 14, 2013
gary
Have not yet heard back from gary regarding sharing his replies.
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Posted: 6:24 PM - Oct 14, 2013
calypso
Great find, Gill. Truly a wonderful engine.
 
Look forward to seeing how it cleans up.
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Posted: 6:45 PM - Oct 14, 2013
doug
WOW!!! great find.....
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Posted: 7:00 PM - Oct 14, 2013
mogogear
Happy "crate" opening Gil
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Posted: 8:17 PM - Oct 14, 2013
MrDuck
A dream-machine
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Posted: 8:45 PM - Oct 14, 2013
redryder
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quote: Treating this engine the way it is being placed on 3 trash cans, and the surrounding mess indicate that the seller did not know the priceless value of such engine. I am glad it is going to a good home now to be taken care of.
Congratulations,
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I would not malign the seller/owner too much as he has passed away. I bought it from his estate auction and it was the only engine in the auction.
 
Also, no more worries about the uneducated not treating it right as the auctioneer has already personally delivered it to Craters and Freighters who are excellent at protecting what they ship.
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Posted: 8:49 PM - Oct 14, 2013
redryder
mogogear:982396 wrote:Happy "crate" opening GilThanks, Greg. It will come boxed and strapped to a small skid. It is a lot more expensive than your local UPS store but Craters and Freighters, while not cheap, are well known for delivering special and delicate items unharmed.
 
Gil
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Posted: 9:02 PM - Oct 14, 2013
redryder
Maxwell:982382 wrote:Here is Klaus' Marklin that sold for 10K + 25% commission
 

 
 
I believe that adjusting knob hanging over the end of the dynamo is about all that is missing from the one I just acquired. I ought to be able to make one with a little help.
 
Gil
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Posted: 9:09 PM - Oct 14, 2013
Stoker
Fantastic Gil, couldn't be happier for you ... or for the engine, in finding such a good home!
 
Congratulations to you both!!! :wink:
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Posted: 9:12 PM - Oct 14, 2013
crazydoug
WOW! great buy Gil. How do you find these engines? When i search for auctions with steam engines, all that comes up are TRAINS. I should start collecting trains i guess. Can't wait for the video. crazydoug

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Posted: 8:17 AM - Oct 15, 2013
St. Paul steam
what a large beast, very nice Gil, I'm happy for you as well.
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Posted: 8:36 AM - Oct 15, 2013
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Posted: 8:37 AM - Oct 15, 2013
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Maxwell:982382 wrote:Here is Klaus' Marklin that sold for 10K + 25% commission
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:shock:
Please note that this compound (photo above!) has the low-pressure cylinder (the larger one!) close to the boiler and the smaller high-pressure one facing the viewer! A rare (and extremely expensive) version!
 
Redryder's engine has the more common lay-out: high-pressure facing boiler, low-pressure on the outside.
 
BUT: It is a very, very impressive engine, in a lovely state (PLEASE do not polish the patina off, IMHO), very nice details.
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to more photos (and videos?)
 
 
I can imagine you are pretty nervously expecting its arrival. May I recommend a dose of Lagavulin 16yrs, at discretion!
It might be a rare version, but it is faulty. Marklin had to change the design and reverse the cylinders after disovering that running the steam supply pipe for a longer distance without any insulation was causing the high pressure cylinder to choke and knock because the steam was condensing into water before it gets to the high pressure cylinder.
 
So, to me I would not like to have an engine just because it is rare, but because it has the correct scientific concepts applied and that it works.
Otherwise, I would buy a cheap static cast.
 
Gil & Max I beilieve you have the best edition of that engine out there. The last one sold this summer without a dynamo for 6,000 Euro plus 22% auction house commission.
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Posted: 9:14 AM - Oct 15, 2013
redryder
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Maxwell:982382 wrote:Here is Klaus' Marklin that sold for 10K + 25% commission
 
 
 
 
 
:shock:
Please note that this compound (photo above!) has the low-pressure cylinder (the larger one!) close to the boiler and the smaller high-pressure one facing the viewer! A rare (and extremely expensive) version!
 
Redryder's engine has the more common lay-out: high-pressure facing boiler, low-pressure on the outside.
 
BUT: It is a very, very impressive engine, in a lovely state (PLEASE do not polish the patina off, IMHO), very nice details.
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to more photos (and videos?)
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I can imagine you are pretty nervously expecting its arrival. May I recommend a dose of Lagavulin 16yrs, at discretion!
It might be a rare version, but it is faulty. Marklin had to change the design and reverse the cylinders after disovering that running the steam supply pipe for a longer distance without any insulation was causing the high pressure cylinder to choke and knock because the steam was condensing into water before it gets to the high pressure cylinder.
 
So, to me I would not like to have an engine just because it is rare, but because it has the correct scientific concepts applied and that it works.
Otherwise, I would buy a cheap static cast.
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Gil & Max I beilieve you have the best edition of that engine out there. The last one sold this summer without a dynamo for 6,000 Euro plus 22% auction house commission.
Thanks, Joe.  Would you have a link to that auction?
 
Gil
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Posted: 9:30 AM - Oct 15, 2013
steamtoys
Gill: Quite sure this is what you need if so I have one that can be used as a pattern. May have someone to make a couple!!
Ron

 
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Posted: 10:20 AM - Oct 15, 2013
Steam Den
Thanks, Joe. Would you have a link to that auction?
 
Gil
 
Here is the one I am talking about, no dynamo and sold in Germany for 6000 Euro this summer + 22% auction house commission.
 
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/172 ... ine-415811
 
 
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Posted: 10:35 AM - Oct 15, 2013
redryder
Steam Den:982587 wrote:Thanks, Joe. Would you have a link to that auction?
 
Gil
Here is the one I am talking about, no dynamo and sold in Germany for 6000 Euro this summer + 22% auction house commission.
 
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/172 ... ine-415811
 

 

 
Thanks again, Joe! I fixed my post above to reflect your name correctly.
 
Gil
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Posted: 12:09 PM - Oct 15, 2013
SteamerJ
:love:  :love:   That is awesome and I look forward to seeing it running! A great addition for the office of steam.
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Posted: 12:56 PM - Oct 15, 2013
redryder
steamtoys:982579 wrote:Gill: Quite sure this is what you need if so I have one that can be used as a pattern. May have someone to make a couple!!
Ron
 
 
Ron, thank you. It looks like Maxwell and I will both need the glass guard.
I will be in touch after it arrives.
 
Gil
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Posted: 5:07 PM - Oct 15, 2013
benchmark
Wow Gil, this plant is just marvelous. An engine that commands respect and interest worldwide. I am looking forward to a video .
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Posted: 5:48 PM - Oct 17, 2013
redryder
....
 
Do any of you have copies of old catalogs that show and describe the Marklin
4158/11 ?
 
If so, please post here.... perhaps a scan or good photograph of the relevant pages.
 
Any old literature on it will be helpful.
 
Thank you in advance,
 
Gil
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Posted: 5:25 AM - Oct 18, 2013
#1steam
steamtoys:982926 wrote:Gill: You mentioned pictures of my large Marklin Vertical.
This is also somewhat of a Monster. I do have a small line shaft to install also need a pump and Gov.
 
Ron
 
 
I think that is the same one as my dad owns
http://modelsteam.myfreeforum.org/about65848.html
Great engine
Nicolas
 
 
EDIT: it is complete and in original condition, there is a close up of the boiler feed pump I think, I hope that helps


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Posted: 10:32 AM - Oct 19, 2013
 
 from Marklin catalog from 1935

 
 

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Posted: 10:57 AM - Oct 19, 2013
redryder
Thanks,
Gil

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Posted: 5:14 PM - Oct 19, 2013
redryder

I must admit...........
 
 
          The anticipation...............
 
 
 
                          is getting to me.....!!!!!
 
 
It is sitting in a freight terminal less than 30 minutes from my home.
I can't pick it up as no one is there on the weekend.
 
Hopefully they deliver it Monday (or I pick it up).
 
Gil
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Posted: 5:28 PM - Oct 19, 2013
Earlytimes
I know the feeling.... so close 
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Posted: 8:21 PM - Oct 20, 2013
redryder
redryder:983951 wrote:I must admit...........
 
 
The anticipation...............
 
 
 
is getting to me.....!!!!!
 
 
It is sitting in a freight terminal less than 30 minutes from my home.
I can't pick it up as no one is there on the weekend.
 
Hopefully they deliver it Monday (or I pick it up).
 
Gil
 
I just called the Old Dominion Freight terminal. The 8:00 pm shift that prepares for Monday morning just came in.
 
Good news here.... They will let me go over and pick it up in an hour..!
 

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Posted: 9:01 PM - Oct 20, 2013
Earlytimes
Your going to be up late 
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Posted: 9:33 PM - Oct 20, 2013
TRAPPERKEEPER
Earlytimes:984421
wrote:Your going to be up lateWell worth it


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Posted: 10:08 PM - Oct 20, 2013
Maxwell
It's worth it.  :thumbs:

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Posted: 7:53 AM - Oct 21, 2013
Earlytimes
Very nice condition !!  Neat engine   


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Posted: 8:02 AM - Oct 21, 2013
 
 Wow! What a difference you have made already Gil to what is a magnificent example of the model engineers' art. Congratulations on your purchase, and to the fact that it arrived safely for you.
 
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Posted: 8:18 AM - Oct 21, 2013
Earlytimes
What does the tag below the cylinders say ?   boiler diameter ?
 
   The shipping box looked bullet proof....
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Posted: 8:58 AM - Oct 21, 2013
tmuir
Wow, thats in great condition.
Just needs a wipe down with an 'oily rag' and it will be ready to run.
I do hope you do a video of it running.
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Posted: 9:03 AM - Oct 21, 2013
dwulfe
Awesome find. Congratulation!
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Sweet. What is the weight of that monster? and compared to your largest Jensen how is it? larger smaller? ________________________________________
Posted: 4:53 PM - Oct 21, 2013
stenella
That engine is to die for! (Well, I wouldn't *really*, but still!)
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Posted: 5:30 PM - Oct 21, 2013
27ace27
Good as new! :love:
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Posted: 6:16 PM - Oct 21, 2013
 
 MrDuck:982410 wrote:A dream-machine
ditto... :love:
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Posted: 5:58 PM - Oct 22, 2013
Maxwell
Where is Mirko the number one expert in Marklin steam Engines to tell us more about these large engines, and their characteristics?
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Posted: 6:44 PM - Oct 22, 2013
redryder
Dr. Rog:984954 wrote:
 
An absolutely amazing engine. Most of the patina was just dried oil by the look of it. :shock:
Right. It doesn't seem to have much patina.
The nickel wipes clean with an oily rag.
I have not polished any of it.
 
There is a sort of dried once oily haze on the boiler and chimney. Since the chimney is half rusted anyway, I tested cleaning it with acetone. It required some rubbing and left a nice blue finish. (No longer yellowed)
 
Gil
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Posted: 6:50 PM - Oct 22, 2013
redryder
Maxwell:984978 wrote:Where is Mirko the number one expert in Marklin steam Engines to tell us more about these large engines, and their characteristics?
 
Good question... Are you out there, Mirko?
 
I am interested in learning more.
 
For example does anyone know the bore sizes?
 
Gil
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Posted: 9:14 PM - Oct 22, 2013
redryder
Here is a video of the 2nd air test. I cleaned up the sight glass and fixed a couple leaks and have a couple left to attend to.
 
I think it would be prudent to put a thinner belt on it as this one seems heavy and adds drag.
Does anyone know what the original belt was like?
 
Gil

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Posted: 9:45 PM - Oct 22, 2013
Earlytimes
Runs good..... Gil 
 
   Be very careful with the finish on the base,  it's very easily damaged.... 
 
    The belt does look heavy. Not sure what they used ? 
 
    I see the little lamp is just hanging there.... that's good no holes were drilled.
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Posted: 3:56 AM - Oct 23, 2013
Dampfzauberer
I am watching this thread with great interest.
But i cannot tell you anything new about this engine.
It is simply too big and too rare for me. I am better in telling you something about the smaller and more common engines.
 
Anyway, i believe the belt was a thin leather belt that was glued and/or sewed together.
That thick belt is 100% wrong and far too thick...
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Posted: 6:36 AM - Oct 23, 2013
redryder
Dampfzauberer:985054 wrote:I am watching this thread with great interest.
But i cannot tell you anything new about this engine.
It is simply too big and too rare for me. I am better in telling you something about the smaller and more common engines.
 
Anyway, i believe the belt was a thin leather belt that was glued and/or sewed together.
That thick belt is 100% wrong and far too thick...
Thanks, Mirko. For the near future I will make a short cloth belt.
 
Then I could order a length of the PM Research belting material which is woven with a black rubber or silicon coating.
This can be glued or sewed.
 
Gil
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Posted: 6:38 AM - Oct 23, 2013
redryder
Would it be acceptable to touch up the paint where there are scratches on the base or to add some missing paint back to the dynamo?
 
Without killing the value?
 
Gil
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Posted: 8:09 AM - Oct 23, 2013
Dampfzauberer
You better don't do that!
Has no great sense, it is better to leave it as is.
One tip: you can take gun blueing to touch up lost paint on the base.
(if it appears too shiney, the metal beneath) Otherwise any touch up would decrease its value (a collector also might think: if THIS has been touched up, what ELSE might be wrong on this engine?") ________________________________________
Posted: 8:12 AM - Oct 23, 2013
Maxwell
redryder:985102 wrote:Would it be acceptable to touch up the paint where there are scratches on the base or to add some missing paint back to the dynamo?
 
Without killing the value?
 
Gil
Hi Gil, I would leave it the way it is. It is almost a 100 years old. The original paint is oven heat treated, and it is impossible to recreate the little white freckled paint. I also noticed that you pressed the cylinders cover a little while cleaning, but this can be fixed easily.
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Posted: 7:37 AM - Oct 25, 2013
Earlytimes
So the coiled piece had just broke free from the solder and you resoldered it and it works fine ?
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Posted: 8:11 AM - Oct 25, 2013
redryder
Bob, It works fine but is clearly not going to be as accurate as it once was.
The earlier repair also did not likely leave it as accurate as it once was.
I recall Mirko saying that the fact that it is there is more important than that it works and that many of them do not work anymore.
 
I was fortunate the passage from the body to the coil did not plug itself with solder.
 
Gil
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Posted: 8:51 PM - Oct 25, 2013
Earlytimes
redryder:985782 wrote:Bob, It works fine but is clearly not going to be as accurate as it once was.
The earlier repair also did not likely leave it as accurate as it once was.
I recall Mirko saying that the fact that it is there is more important than that it works and that many of them do not work anymore.
 
I was fortunate the passage from the body to the coil did not plug itself with solder.
 
Gil
 
 
  Thank's for the info and I agree.     
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Posted: 9:52 PM - Oct 25, 2013
redryder
.
Tonight I repaired and tested the burner.
 
With solder, a torch, and some flux, I fixed about 10 leaks on the soldered seams of the burner.
It isn't pretty but looks better than it did and no longer leaks!
 
Gil
 


 
The test:

 
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Posted: 10:06 PM - Oct 25, 2013
Earlytimes
Hmmmm..... that doesn't seem hot enough. Is the wick just in the verticle tube ?
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Posted: 10:23 PM - Oct 25, 2013
redryder
Earlytimes:985933 wrote:Hmmmm..... that doesn't seem hot enough. Is the wick just in the verticle tube ?
The wick goes to the bottom of the tank.
When it is hotter more alcohol vaporizes.
There is very little alcohol in the tank and the small warm up wicks may need replacing.
I had to tilt it to get some alcohol to the wicks.
When I steam test it I will find out if the combination of more alcohol and confinement of the firebox will let it get warmer and burn nicely. Will update as I test it hopefully tomorrow.
 
Gil
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Posted: 5:23 AM - Oct 26, 2013
Earlytimes
Ok,  low on fuel.... so burning down.
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Posted: 5:39 AM - Oct 26, 2013
redryder
Earlytimes:986018 wrote:Ok, low on fuel.... so burning down.
There may still be an issue with the amount of flame and I will not know until I give it an in service test.
 
I have not used this burner design before so I am still learning and I agree that it needs more flame to be effective.
 
Gil
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Posted: 6:55 AM - Oct 26, 2013
MrDuck
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Posted: 7:05 AM - Oct 26, 2013
redryder
MrDuck:986045 wrote:I think we exagerate the need of pressure gauges for these toys as they have functioning safety valves. But I admit I follow mine on the engines that have them I would respectfully disagree. All full sized boilers have safety valves and gauges.
Those of us with the slightest sense of engineering in our heads, do like to monitor these nice little engines.
In addition, to any collector, if it came with a gauge, it must have that gauge.
 
Gil
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Posted: 4:35 AM - Oct 27, 2013
MrDuck
A magnificent sight
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Posted: 6:00 AM - Oct 27, 2013
yussufhippo

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Posted: 6:16 AM - Oct 27, 2013
Sandman
What a beautiful piece of kit Gil. :love:
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Posted: 7:43 AM - Oct 27, 2013
Maxwell

Hi Thomas,
 
Yes, I have a 4158/9 old edition with the same exact burner.
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Posted: 8:15 AM - Oct 27, 2013
St. Paul steam
Really great to see it running Gil, it has the unmistakable sound & deep thump of an engine of considerable size...music to my ears.
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Posted: 8:31 AM - Oct 27, 2013
Dave S
Really fantastic.  It runs really well and sounds very much like a full sized engine


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Posted: 5:41 PM - Oct 27, 2013

mrborinator
 Haven't yet received OK from Rob to share his replies.
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Posted: 6:43 AM - Oct 28, 2013
tmuir
Thanks for the vid Gil.
Makes a nice solid sound, I like it.
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reddrryder
Thanks, Tony!
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Posted: 7:10 PM - Oct 30, 2013
redryder
The cleaning continues.
 
I got a peak "under the hood" when I removed the rear engine plate and the blue steel lagging which needed straightening. I just hand straightened it for now and while not perfect, it came out pretty good. Here are a few pictures of what I uncovered during this little project.
 
Enjoy,
Gil
 









 
 
 
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Posted: 7:26 PM - Oct 30, 2013
Maxwell
Super Nice.  :love:
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