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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2024, 02:23:14 pm »
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And this one with matching post card

https://www.officeofsteamforum.com/ebay/old-add-for-free-steam-engine-looks-like-a-weedenbuckman-kind-of/?message=52209
I remembered seeing the post-card engine somewhere.  I don't know who made it, though I have my suspicions.  The "Hero" "Ajax" and "Empire" engines are featured in the 1880 Ives, Blakeslee & Co. catalog.  There are accessories on page 106, and The steam engines are on pages 105-107.  The Ajax is on page 106.  Price is $10/doz.

Thanks Charlie for jogging my memory.  BTW, the price for the Hero has doubled from the ad you sent.

Was Ives a maker? Or a re-seller?
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Re: Buckman -- Help needed
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2024, 02:24:22 pm »
Ives was definitely a toy maker but have no idea when it comes to steam engines.

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2024, 02:29:19 pm »
I don't think Ives made the steam engines.

Does anyone know who has this collection of engines?  I've tried to get permissions from the auction house, but they haven't responded

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6866489_lot-of-5-small-steam-engines

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2024, 04:08:08 pm »
Thanks, Nick

I was just reading from a book that arrived in the mail a few minutes ago.  It's called Cavalcade of Toys, published in 1942.  In it there's an etching from an 1875 Union Mfg catalog that shows a workshop very similar to yours.  On significant difference is that it's powered by your Buckman horizontal (which oddly reminds me of the Sphynx).

On page 200 they write "A boy with a steam engine needed something to operate with it, and so the miniature machine shop became popular.  The Union Manufacturing Company of 13 Vine St., Brooklyn, N. Y. catered to this specialty."

They go on to write, sadly without references, that "The Union Company appears to have taken over in 1880 the 'Young American' engine."

Would you mind if I used pictures from your Flikr album in my article?

This was in a recent ebay ad from Walnutts

“The Union Manufacturing Company was founded in 1854 in Clinton, Connecticut. It was a small Toy manufacturing Company that produced Tin and Live Steam Toys. In 1869 the company was acquired by Hull & Stratford. The Live Steam Boat offered here was manufactured sometime during the short period that the company existed.”
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2024, 04:41:15 pm »
I saw that boat auction. The info (which should be Hull and Stafford, not Stratford), came from another website, and I believe it to be wrong, at least with regards to the Union Toy Manufacturing Co. There were a lot of Union Mfg. Companies at the time.  Union Toy Mfg existed in 1874, and was still in business in 1890.  This much I've been able to confirm from historical documents.

The boiler in the boat looks like it was adapted from your Sphynx Buckman, so I'm guessing it was manufactured sometime after 1874.

Thanks for keeping my request in mind!

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2024, 07:08:06 pm »
Thanks, I thought the dates seemed off. I purchased the boat so fingers crossed for a safe arrival. Does anyone know who Walnutts is? I assume he lives close to a Bertoia auction house and always has nice pieces from their sales.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2024, 07:28:45 pm »
Congrats on winning the bid.  I do hope it arrives in one piece. It's very nice. 

If you have a chance to compare the boiler to your Buckman, I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2024, 08:44:14 pm »
Hey Bob, when you are conducting your research into Buchman's, can you do me a favor.
I bought this engine about 12-13 years ago and it was said to be a Buckman from 1895.
It's my Avatar here on the forum. Several times I ask if anyone know more about it or
can confirm the manufacturer. Nick doesn't think it is but there's a few characteristics that
are like Buckman. If you run across one in your travels, could you make a note of it,
for inquiring minds that want to know, that'd be me. Thanks.



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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2024, 09:18:21 pm »
Congrats on winning the bid.  I do hope it arrives in one piece. It's very nice. 

If you have a chance to compare the boiler to your Buckman, I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Thanks! I was surprised it didn’t get more interest. I do have that Buckman with me  so will let you know as soon as it’s here.

Thank you again for all your research, I am very excited to finally learn something about these early engines!!

Tommy, no matter what that engine is, I still love it and wish it was on my shelf!  ;D
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2024, 08:26:23 am »
Oh Nick, you're such a Steam Hound, you love em all.
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Re: Buckman -- Help needed
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2024, 10:35:33 am »
That's a nice engine, Tommy.  I have a real soft spot for beam engines.  I haven't seen anything quite like what you have, but I'll let you know if I do.  The earliest I've seen that style of boiler was 1884.  I'm not really focused on the 1890's, which is the right period for your engine. 

I hope to have the first part of the article published by late April.

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2024, 10:43:36 am »
Whoa Tommy, that is one very interesting engine you have there!

Any chance you could give us a full feature thread on that old beauty?
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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2024, 04:07:16 pm »
Whoa Tommy, that is one very interesting engine you have there!

Any chance you could give us a full feature thread on that old beauty?




I suppose I could but a different thread, this is Bob's.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2024, 06:29:16 pm »
Whoa Tommy, that is one very interesting engine you have there!

Any chance you could give us a full feature thread on that old beauty?




I suppose I could but a different thread, this is Bob's.

Yep, that's what I had in mind!
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2024, 09:56:52 pm »
Oh,   OK.
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