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Bad News From Great Britain
Posted by
jkbixby
on 03 Oct, 2019 11:04
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I just bought a new engine from Roundhouse but got an email this morning from them saying they couldn't ship it without my giving them my taxpayer ID number. Further emails showed that they don't really know what that is for sure but thought it might be my SSN. Checked with my accountant and he also thought there was a high probability it was my SSN but advised me not to divulge it to them. I realize that Roundhouse is one of the "good guys" and also that my SSN is probably easily obtained by other means but I've chosen to go on the side of security and not give it to them. I'm sure they're (the government) is trying to track lost VAT but this has got to hurt Roundhouse's business to some degree and screws up my plans in the process - just hope they get it worked out soon.
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#1 Reply
Posted by
Stoker
on 03 Oct, 2019 11:51
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That sounds like a real PITA, and I truly hope some common sense work around is in place soon. Sending your SSN to most anyone is a bad idea, let alone out of the country. If you are paying through bank transfers, paypal or any form of credit card, that ought to be all the info anyone should need, and provides all traceability that any proper authority should need for tax purposes!
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#2 Reply
Posted by
RedRyder
on 03 Oct, 2019 13:35
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To me it looks a lot more like a scam.
Have you phoned Roundhouse and spoken to someone you actually know?
They do not need your soc sec no. to do business.
Meaning their email or yours has been hacked.
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#3 Reply
Posted by
RedRyder
on 03 Oct, 2019 13:47
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Here is the phone number
011 44 1302 328035
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I'm afraid we're going to see more & more of this type of thing as time goes forward, taxes nearly across the board on Ebay, governments wanting more internet information. ...ect. not good for the consumer & occasional seller, how long before trade between China & the U.S. is even more impacted ?
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#5 Reply
Posted by
jkbixby
on 04 Oct, 2019 06:25
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Talking to Roundhouse this morning it turns out that this requirement for a Taxpayer ID number is from the shipping company they use called Worldwide Express which is hooked up with UPS and started in the last two or three months. When asked they indicated they had shipped to the US recently so folks must be giving them the info they requested. Harri Harrison wasn't there today but will be back on Monday with some answers supposedly, one option being shipping by Parcelforce which would cost about GBP 40.00 more than UPS/Worldwide Express.
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#6 Reply
Posted by
RedRyder
on 04 Oct, 2019 06:38
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I would not be inclined to give any shipper my Social Security number under any circumstance.
I don't even give a doctors office my number. They always ask for it however we have the right to refuse to give it to them.
Paypal has the number however it is a financial institution and is required by law to keep it on record.
How about asking roundhouse to give them their tax id? They are the sender.
Gil
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There's no way in h*ll I would ever give my SS# just to have something shipped. That's just nuts.
I just bought (in August) a few models directly from Stuart Models in Dorset and they used TNT Express to ship to the USA. This package was delivered on a FedEX truck. No VAT, no SS #.
A few years ago I bought some items from ArcEuroTrade of Leiceister. Same deal and they used FedEx as well.
Also bought many bits and bobs over the years sent through the Royal Mail. Again, no VAT, no SS #.
They need to find another shipper.
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#8 Reply
Posted by
jkbixby
on 05 Oct, 2019 09:03
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#9 Reply
Posted by
komet163b
on 05 Oct, 2019 10:35
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EBAY started taking sales tax for sales in states that have a sales tax (not all do).
To get around this the seller charges a minimal price but wildly pumped-up shipping
charges. It might be $1 to buy that expensive engine but $200 to ship it, avoiding
the sales tax. Personally, I don't mind the sales tax (wish it were better spent) but
this VAT is nightmarish. Just tax any luxury items on a special sliding scale. If a
rich snob wants to buy a 20 million dollar painting charge 20 million tax. Ha, all of
a sudden the rich are not as rich.
And no, don't pass the SS# over. There has to be another way.
On your side,
Wayne
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It's a good theory, but I can tell you that Ebay is absolutely charging sales tax on shipping charges, at least for my state. I would imagine most states that have a sales tax do something similar.
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#11 Reply
Posted by
komet163b
on 06 Oct, 2019 11:29
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It's all just closing in on us. Stop the world I
want to get off...I think I need a good steam-up.
Electrically or gas fired....Hmmm.
Wayne
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#12 Reply
Posted by
jkbixby
on 07 Oct, 2019 18:27
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As an update Harri at Roundhouse got back to me today saying they will probably go with a different carrier who doesn't require a Taxpayer ID and will pick up the extra cost themselves which is much appreciated on my part. I feel kind of sorry for them as they have firm shipping prices and have been put in a tough spot but then again this is the sixth new Roundhouse engine I've bought and this will help future sales come about easier - besides they may come up with a better long term shipping company in the process.
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#13 Reply
Posted by
Jim
on 07 Oct, 2019 19:29
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We have to pay 10% sales tax now on all eBay purchases (never had to before).
As a new tax its hard enough to swallow on new items off ebay, but secondhand ones?
That's a hard pill to have to swallow.
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#14 Reply
Posted by
Nick
on 07 Oct, 2019 22:34
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We have to pay 10% sales tax now on all eBay purchases (never had to before).
As a new tax its hard enough to swallow on new items off ebay, but secondhand ones? That's a hard pill to have to swallow.
Yes Jim, Minnesota was one of the first few states to start adding sales tax, so I've had it a few months now
I still have a hard time paying sales tax at antique shops... I always make my offer in cash, no tax. If they don't take it, I use a credit card so I can get 2% back. I know many of these small shops that hand write paper receipts are not turning in all of their sales...
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