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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2022, 09:26:35 pm »
People don't advertise re:charging magnets so much ...But , usually a generator/alternator shop can do it. Put an request on Facebook in your area and I'll bet you find help locally. Be careful not to over charge it or the engine won't be able to power it.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2022, 09:29:45 pm »
don't do Facebook or most social media (long personal issue with that format).

I have been thinking that it could be over done ... yet another reason for me to be worried about this process.  I might take Mike up on his offer, as it seems not best to "learn" on my only Jensen engine.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2022, 10:37:17 pm »
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2022, 05:23:33 am »
I use neodymium magnets from kjmagnetics.com on motors in a few of my 100 year old toy train permanent magnet motors so that they run. The magnets are small and powerful and nickel plated so they don't look too bad on the outside of the motor. Probably one small neodymium magnet on each side would be sufficient to replace the stack of regular iron magnets. It's an option you could try rather than disassembling the dynamo. I just ordered four more magnets p/n# D88-N52 which are cylinder shaped 1/2" x 1/2" in size for $3.98 each plus shipping.

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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2022, 07:25:12 am »
If you have a local starter/generator shop, they probably have a magnet charger collecting dust somewhere. The older the shop, the better the chance.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2022, 08:47:34 am »
I been in contact with kjmagnetics.com, they wanted the full dimensions of the Jenson horseshoe magnet before recommending which ones I should get to try re-energizing it.  I am also going to get various sizes of smaller magnets to do what I am doing now but with only one nickel magnet on each side.  At the very least I'll have some cool magnets when I am all done - so Win-Win!  LOL

Thank you guys for all your comments, encouragement, and tips!  Also all the nice comments on actually getting this old Jensen running!  Pretty amazing the little guy was in all kinds of disarray about a week ago.  I am kind of proud of myself :-)
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2022, 10:03:33 am »
Okay, got the recommended Magnet to try this out (but I am still on the fence about pulling the generator apart).  I might leave it to my brother to F'up, especially if the other little magnets that ordered and place on the side work like I'd like them to!

Quote from: K&J Magnetics, Inc.
All magnets have a saturation point, meaning they can only be magnetized so much, so I don't think you'd "over-magnetize" the magnet. From the pictures, it looks like the Alnico ends are about 1" long x 3/8" wide. You could try placing a BX066 or BX088-N52, one on either end, with opposite poles onto the horseshoe.
Quote from: https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BX088-N52
  • Dimensions: 1" x 1/2" x 1/2" thick
  • Tolerances: ±0.004" x ±0.004" x ±0.004"
  • Material: NdFeB, Grade N52
  • Plating/Coating: Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
  • Magnetization Direction: Thru Thickness
  • Weight: 1.08 oz. (30.7 g)
  • Pull Force, Case 1: 38.39 lbs
  • Pull Force, Case 2: 50.09 lbs
  • Surface Field: 5884 Gauss
  • Max Operating Temp: 176ºF (80ºC)
  • Brmax: 14,800 Gauss
  • BHmax: 52 MGOe
These sturdy blocks are very strong for their size and must be handled with care to avoid being pinched between two of them. This size is useful for a wide range of magnetic applications.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2022, 10:39:08 am »
Boo, I can't edit my post above anymore.  I got this additional information after asking how long and placing them on / taking them off.

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There isn't really an amount of time for this, if it works, it should happen almost instantly. It could be a good idea to try to make a jig that could pull the horseshoe away from the neodymium magnets at the same time. It probably wouldn't have much effect if they were pulled off separately, but it couldn't hurt...
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2022, 12:59:07 pm »
I got my K&J Magnets in and two D88-N52's work the best when sticking them on the horseshoe magnet.  These are 18.08 lbs pull force and provide ~1.3 volts A/C under load with the light.  If I unscrew the light voltage jumps up a bit over 2v A/C.  I haven't even tried disassembling the magnet, which I'll leave to my bother to try with the BX088-N52 magnets.

I also got my parts box from Jensen.  The boiler gaskets were more or less not very useful.  I had to modify the ones for sight tank, as the center hole was too small.  Then the steam line to the engine gasket for the tank either wasn't included or none would fit - so I had to revert to making a new one out of paper.  I suppose at least the ones for the whistle and pressure popup valve worked.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2022, 09:23:44 pm »
You have made great progress with your engine!

I am going to charge the magnet on my recent eBay engine this weekend. I have to take it completely apart to make a new crankshaft for it. The original was bent and I straightened it, but it’s not perfect, so I’ll just make a new one.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2022, 07:53:57 am »
Hey Mike - thank you!  It is pretty amazing seeing it work again.  I couldn't have done it with all y'all's help, today your package is arriving for the cherry on top finish :-)

Do keep us posted on your magnet charging and any challenges getting it apart/back together!  BTW, is that one of yours lighting up the light bulb at all?   As a reminder, this guy I have here won't even make the light bulb flicker without added magnets (DMV reads no more than .5v A/C).
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2022, 09:11:30 am »
Mine does light the bulb, but I figured I might as well spruce it up while it’s apart.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2022, 05:05:05 pm »
Got your package in Mike - Thank You!  

Bad news is that bottom tank fitting didn't have any screw bite left in it... it is stripped out.  I trimmed down a Q-Tip and stuck it in the hole and the new screw tighten down and sealed.  Perhaps it will hold or perhaps it won't over time.

Here is a photo with your smoke stack on.  I'll let my brother come up with some matching paint to paint it.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2022, 09:26:12 pm »
Looks good Richard.
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Re: My Jenson #10 Running Under Steam!
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2022, 06:31:35 am »
Thanks Bruce!  I couldn't have done it without you help - I am still in awe with all the help I have gotten here on the forums!
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