Thanks Dave only got home half hour ago, but since the weather was dubious tonight, we decided on doing some other work instead, inside the shed, well actually the carriages were painted outside on the bike lift table bench. Eventually this will be used as a transfer ramp to get locos onto the track from the car without lifting. One of the to do jobs during this year hopefully. Swinging a 7.1/4" sweet william on a sheet of metal on a stack of pallets is certainly something none of us are happy about!!!!!!