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If it was just smeared on the valve linkage rod as shown in that prior photo, it would have been no problemo! However .... that stuff was fully packed in under the packing gland compression cap nut, and all along inside of the rod guide tunnel, so there was in fact a substantial amount of the gunk to be dug out from inner recesses.

It was pure joy to be sure!!!

Do note in that same photo, there are only just barely a full 5 threads on the end of that rod, and they are pretty chewed up, which doesn't make for a very firm grip or solid alignment, nor does it allow for much adjustment. The clevis head that screws on there only had four threads in it, so couldn't even go on that far, even though it had an I.D. depth capable of taking a full 10+ threads with a bottom tap. So I did go ahead and tap it to full depth, and took a die to the rod and gave it a full 14+ threads so that I could also mount a jam nut to lock off the clevis position!


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Yes ...  that hole is not very well centered either, but at least there is plenty of "meat" around it!
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Thanks for sharing the good and bad details here Daniel, and well done on getting that clevis head properly fixed to the rod.

Do you intend to eventually fix the misaligned holes as well?
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Thanks for sharing the good and bad details here Daniel, and well done on getting that clevis head properly fixed to the rod.

Do you intend to eventually fix the misaligned holes as well?

Probably not Jan ... at least not at this point. There is so much that could be done, but for now I'll just concentrate on what must be done to get this big boy up and running at some reasonable level. Perhaps then I can go back through it and fix some of the more egregious issues that don't necessarily impact its ability to function.

I originally suggested, back before I made the drive to get it, that what I was buying was just a "pig in a poke", and that is exactly what it turns out that I got. I'm actually far ahead of what my postings here show, so I know full well at this point what the big picture is, and it isn't any too pretty. Still, I have faith that it can yet be turned into a decent runner as most of the key machining was likely done by the factory, so it is just the ancillary work that has problems .... for the most part anyway.

In the end, this engine should prove fully capable of all that I will ever ask of it, which won't be much, as I don't have much in the way of providing it with the steam, or even air power, that it truly needs to work properly. I do believe, now that I really know what I have, that I will be happy with this engine, even with all of its obvious problems and poor machining, if for no other reason than I would never likely have parted with the money that an truly good 1/2 hp Sipp should properly bring!

Hey ... if nothing else .... it has a nice paint job!?!?
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Thanks for the pics and the update Daniel.
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All righty then kids .... back to this ongoing mechanical adventure, and sorry for the extended delay. Likely to be more of the same before this tale of woe is complete, but no hurry anyway as it isn't going anywhere under its own power anytime soon!

So last post I was inside the steam chest, and while I found the D-valve and port face to be fairly flat, albeit with somewhat rounded edges and corners, and not entirely smooth, I decided that I'd do a bit of lapping and also try to clean up and square the ports themselves which were a bit out of square with some wildly irregular edges. Turns out that took a fair amount of time as the casting inside the port channels was pretty rough, and even though I didn't do a true clean-up of all of that, I do believe the steam flow will now be somewhat enhanced and the cut-off should be a bit crisper as well, however I was unable to truly "square" the port edges, and they actually seem to slant slightly to the motion of the valve. Perhaps they are supposed to as a means of phasing the open and closing of the port? Probably not, and it is just another weird artifact of a poor build, though this one does seem to be cast in and nearly irremediable. Should run better now in any event!


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There is also a noticeable casting flaw in both the D-valve and port face surfaces that would take really serious lapping, or even milling to get past, as would the rounded edges and corners on both faces. For now I'll not go that far,and likely never will, but it could be an option if it turns out to be necessary.

I should add that the other end of the valve linkage seems pretty okay just the way it is. The eccentric seems reasonably well made and fitted with shims that will allow for adjustment with wear. Although the linkage rod is "S" bent, and it likely wouldn't have to be if the eccentric cam had been put on the other way around, there really isn't any problem with it done this way, and I have now seen photos of at least a few others done this way as well.
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Thanks for the pictorial update Daniel.
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Yes , thanks for the update , following along closely here .
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Thanks for the story - the tuning will be closely overviewed
perfect the lapping...

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Yes , thanks for the update , following along closely here .
Ditto  :)
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Let's call it a day on the valve linkage / steam chest side of this beast, and head back up to the flywheel / crankshaft assembly. With the valve linkage fully disconnected, the noticeable bind in flywheel rotation was still present. So my next move was to disconnect the crank rod from the crank and see how that might be affecting rotation.

Sure enough, rotation smoothed out almost completely with only a slight and fairly even resistance felt through 360 degrees of rotation. Whew!

With just a very slight loosening of the cap screws holding the bearing clamps in place, the flywheel spun easily through several rotations coming to a slow and even stop that bodes well for the shaft and bearings I think. With the bearing clamps in this ever so slightly loosened condition I tried to wiggle the crankshaft and felt no noticeable movement. This seems real good ... perhaps too good to be true?

Along the way, I thought I'd take the time to check for any bend in the crankshaft, with the shaft still cradled in its bearings. So I got out an indicator set-up and with the tip set as close to the hub of the flywheel as I could manage, took a set of rotational readings that gave me less than .002" runout, and some of that could easily be due to old varnished oil, though probably not.

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In any event, it is now apparent that the drag/bind issue was going to be found in the piston/cylinder/crosshead-slide/ linkage system, and not with the crankshaft or bearings ..... again, WHEW!!!

I should add that perhaps surprisingly, the connecting rod's holes at both ends seem fairly well centered, though not perfectly, and both the crosshead-slide and crank arm holes while not too well centered, are both adequately so, as to have plenty of "meat" around them, and should offer no problems. The crank end of the connecting rod has a set of brass bearing inserts that will need some adjustment as there is a little slop on the crank arm bolt (crank pin), and the adjusting screw for that bearing set cannot further tighten, so the edges where the two bearing halves meet will need to be filed back ever so slightly to allow further adjustment range.

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How's the progress going on this beast Daniel? Any head way?
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Not a lick of progress on it lately Jim. But I'll certainly have to be getting back to it before too much longer, as it sits on my workbench and takes up entirely too much space! Really can't even reload around it!!!

I had it all apart at one point early on, discovered all of its deep dark secrets (read as problems), made some minor but needful repairs and adjustments, then reassembled just in time to run it a little at the GPU. It needs to be completely disassembled again, and some real work done on it, but in point of fact it does have issues that will preclude it ever being a first class engine, so the motivation is not strong to do too much work on it at this point.

I have been totally occupied with a few other projects, that I should probably do some more documentation on and post up here, but in fact have found little time for adding that documentation project to the other projects list.

There is really a wealth of things I should be sharing here these days, but just can't seem to sit at the computer long enough to do that. I'm always astounded by how some of you folks manage to put up amazing things on what seems a daily basis. If I were trying to do that I'd never get anything else done ..... and believe me, I'm getting little enough done already, without any of the photography, loading and typing to slow me down!  ;c)
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Thanks for the update Daniel appreciated mate. And I know myself and can probably speak for all....we love to see what you're working on.
Its a shame the big beast had some serious internal issues, I'm sure when you can give it some dedicated time you will overcome the majority of them.
A consolation is that at least its a nice looking engine to look at!
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Thanks for the update Daniel.

We all know it is in good hands.

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Well now I thought that today I would take off from all my current projects and just go back a couple of months and do some needful catch-up here on the Forum, with posts that I'd left dangling .... especially this big Sipp. Promised Jim I'd give him a heads up on an idler pulley set-up for his Baker fan, and I did that first thing this morning, but that is all I managed to get done in that way today. Shortly after getting that done I got called out to a new Graffiti site near our community, so I hiked out to check on that, and while there a major wind event set in so that my remediation experimentation was cut a bit short, but wasn't likely to be very successful in any case. Not too long after returning home the SCE decided discretion was the better part of valor, and shut off the local power grid in what is known as a Public Safety Power Shutdown (PSPS) because the wind and weather conditions created an extreme fire hazard situation, so I was without power, or internet for most of the rest of the day. Power came back on just an hour or so ago, and what with fixing dinner and resetting clocks, the day got away from me without attending to most of what I'd hoped to do.

My excuse is that Friday the 13th came on a Tuesday this month ...... and my Lord and Master Murphy made full use of it!!!
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