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Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« on: March 30, 2022, 01:30:07 pm »
I am working on this Jensen and hoping to go the route of getting it close to original operation.  But it was modified and is missing parts.  I did call Jensen and they could take it for repair ($50 an hour, plus parts) but could not say they would get it working as electric and likely would be fully converted to fuel pellets.  I am not totally against that but it isn't my preferred way to go :-)

Any luck on parts out there?  I am also not opposed to someone that is good working on these - if anyone here does this.  I rather not harm it anymore than what was done to it already.
  • Firebox has been chopped up, I think - any luck on a replacement?
  • Missing Smoke Stack
  • Missing/Broken Glass Tube (and seals?)
  • Missing correct lower screw for Glass Tube into Tank (special screw?)
  • Heater Element thingy
  • Missing 2 standard period correct flat head (wood?) screws for smoke stack box
  • Missing 2 standard period correct flat head screws Tank Strap (has Phillips screws now)

Anything missing I am not realizing that I am missing?  Any part numbers from Jensen that should be good to buy?



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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2022, 01:51:41 pm »
Here is the firebox off the tank.  This self was inside and I think it isn't at all part of it.  Then it looks like the holes on either side were cut into the firebox too?

The top screw does seem special, it kind of tapers. Then photos of the other wood screws and the straps with screws.

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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2022, 02:59:50 pm »
That is a very desirable Jensen. Do not sell it. Bruce from St Paul Steam can help you with
the parts you will need. He's one of the best with Jensen's and he's a member here. Do you
know how to send a personal message to members on the forum?
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2022, 03:11:57 pm »
I surely do know how to PM, I LOVE forums and friendly ones like this one seems to be to newbies.  I sent one to "Empire man 202" as I am working on an Empire for myself (payment for getting this one working for my brother).  I am not afraid of spending $$$, which is why I called up Jensen but that was before I found this place.  Needless to say, I been doing a lot of Google'ing in the last few days.

Before your posting I did find some posts by "St Paul Steam" and his YouTubes.  I watched a number of them - I wished in his restore videos he had more of the "tear down" process.  As I mention in my Empire post, I simply don't know what I am missing or what used to be there.  Until two days ago, I never seen Engines like these!

Do you think I should PM "St Paul Steam" or wait until he sees my post?  I been really excited finding this forum and fear I might be posting too much.  Heck, I even sent a $25.00 donation to "RedRyder".  Can't be a freeloader on a super-duper Ad-Free Site!

Thank you for your thoughts/advice!
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2022, 03:39:39 pm »
I have seen your thread here & will reply in much greater detail when I get off work later tonight 😉👍
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2022, 03:44:27 pm »
Holy cow, I am super excited to have your advice / help / anything really.  From your postings and your YouTube channel you seem to be the gold standard on Jensen Stream Engines.


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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 03:52:23 pm »
Hello, Richard. You’ve come to the right place. The heater you need for your engine is a regular blanket heater and should still be available from Jensen. A smooth steel firebox from another Jensen with a 2.5” boiler can be made to work with no problem. The screws for the sight glass blocks and the steam dome on top are just regular 6-32 screws. I use stainless steel for replacements. For sight glass tube seals, I use small slices of silicone tubing, I think 2mm size, but I’ll have to double check that. I’ve probably rebuilt at least 50 of those sight glasses. The wood screws are just slotted round head nickel plated screws. I’m being brief because I’m getting ready to go out for dinner, but Bruce will eleaborate on many of these points later.  That’s a great engine you have and we’ll worth the effort to restore. I have lots of Jensen videos on my YouTube channel, just search “Junkologist Jensen” and you’ll find them.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2022, 04:19:11 pm »
I just visited your channel, it looks like your 1949 Jensen 10 Leaks Fixed & Polished Up is kind of like mine, with the rivets on the tank.  Also, it seems like on the side of your firebox there aren't any rivets.  When I was talking to Jensen they were confused as why I didn't have rivets/screws on the side to keep the tray up.

So what is the big hole in the front for - it seems the cord some out from the back - I assume my #10 did too.  Then I guess there is some kind of insulation inside or some kind of fabric?
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2022, 04:48:32 pm »
Okay, in the other Model #10 thread that I posted for help (before realizing I should likely have started here for "wanted parts") I think I know what all happened to my firebox.  Which the previous owner converted to burn fuel pellets.

1. Took Tank off, hacked the top where two middle screws are at.  I assume this was the mounting location for the heater element (tray?).
2. Cut out two round-ish holes on either side, I assume for "air" for fire.
3. Cut out a square in the front - likely to load in fuel some how.

Edit:
I also have a new part or at least something better than what is on it.  In the "parts" bag there was this little wafer bit - now I know that is part of the lamp / commutator connections (insulator block).  So my needs have increased.  Wafer, better wires, and I bet a light bulb!
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2022, 08:16:08 pm »

So what is the big hole in the front for - it seems the cord some out from the back - I assume my #10 did too.  Then I guess there is some kind of insulation inside or some kind of fabric?

The big hole in front is basically just for looks. Your cord comes out the back through the hole in the smoke box. Your engine should have a Belden style cloth covered cord.
If you watch eBay for a cheap model 35, you could get a nice firebox to use. The only thing different is you would have to use nuts with the small screws that hold the boiler straps. Boiler straps on the 35 are riveted and the holes are to big to tap for the screws.
I’ve taken some pictures for you to show how the firebox is assembled with the tray and the original asbestos insulation. New ceramic insulation can be obtained from Jensen.
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2022, 08:29:30 pm »
Thank you for the photos!  It is really nice to see that.  What does the heating element look like - what is the matching/proper one on Jensen now (assuming there is one for a proper fit)?  That is if you know?

Oh, I been looking on eBay.  There have been some historically, hopefully I can find a good donor!  Thank you for the tip for a #35 and the mounting warning.

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 08:33:24 pm »
Oh, so route the power cord through the obvious places/holes, place the heater on the self, push shelf into firebox and secure it.  Then the ceramic insulation goes below the shelf and walls of firebox.  Is that about right?
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 08:36:38 pm »
Mike (junkologist) has you covered very well with wonderful advice and helpful tips , I can't really add much to what he has already stated, there are Many (dozens) of very competent Jensen restorers here on this forum from many countries. Jensen is making the smooth firebox again but I doubt you'll get them to sell you one, they also make the 2 1/2" blanket heater Mike spoke of...but again , Getting them to supply you with one is a hit or miss proposition. Your Firefox is beyond repair (realistically) and a replacement can be found from many forum members. I have made many restoration videos & have only put them on this forum because I'm able to download photos and videos on the thread as I go , I'm not one to spend hours editing videos as so many are able to do with a professional quality. Many of the parts you need are available here on the forum. I'm not sure what is going on with the generator ?
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Re: Looking for Parts: Jensen Model #10 (1930s?)
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2022, 08:43:59 pm »
First, I didn't mean to offend you on my comment about your restoration video - that was just me "wishing out loud".  Apologizes if that comment rubbed you the wrong way!

Looks like I have one part sourced, the Smoke Stack!

Now hopefully someone has a firebox and bits I need for the glass tube.


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Oh, the generator just seems to have a dodgy bit of wood where the wire screws are.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2022, 08:44:28 pm »
Oh, so route the power cord through the obvious places/holes, place the heater on the self, push shelf into firebox and secure it.  Then the ceramic insulation goes below the shelf and walls of firebox.  Is that about right?
You have the heat tray that is mounted just below the boiler , it supports a U shaped piece of heat (originally asbestos) material and a flat piece laying directly on top of the tray , and then another U shaped piece of heat proof mat'l  flipped open side down under the heat tray with a flat piece laying directly on top of the wood base...remember the old fireboxs were on wood bases and Jensen Mfg. Was trying to keep the heat removed as much as reasonably possible from the wood.
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